The second reading of the Universal Credit and Personal Independent Payment Bill begins at 1.40pm today.

The vote is expected at 7.00pm

You can watch the debate live on parliament tv here.

We won’t be giving a blow-by-blow account of the debate, but you are welcome to comment on proceedings below the line.


You can see a full list of the votes on the second reading here.  49 Labour MPs rebelled.


The vote on the Universal Credit and Personal Independence Payment Bill second reading is:  For 335.  Against 260.  A majority in favour of the bill of 75.


Here is the list of which MPs voted for and against the amendment.


The vote on the rebel amendment has now been held.  149 in favour of the bill being dropped without a second reading, 328 against.  This means the amendment has failed and there will now be a vote on the actual bill itself.


4-point PIP rule is gone

The 4-point PIP rule is effectively dead as Labour makes its biggest concession yet.  Timms has just told the House:  "I can announce that we are going to remove the clause five from the bill at committee, that we will move straight to the wider review, sometimes referred to as the Timms review, and only make changes to Pip eligibility, activities and descriptors following that review."

Clause 5 is the 4-point rule, so that is now gone.  Instead, the Timms review will decide what happens to PIP.  And if, as Labour have promised, the review is genuinely coproduced with disabled people there is very little chance of such a rule ever happening.  And if Labour did try to force it into the review decision they would be likely to face an even worse rebellion than the one they have just suffered,

This seems to mean that the main purpose of the bill is now to take money from future recipients of the UC health element and to introduce the severe conditions criteria.


Jessica Elgot of the Guardian is reporting on Bluesky that the government are considering more concessions whilst Arj Sigh of the i paper says crisis talks between Angela Rayner and the rebels on changes to PIP rules being put off until after Timms has carried out his review.


Rachel Maskell's reasoned amendment has been selected by the speaker for a vote.  This is the rebel amendment which has 39 Labour signatures. It will be voted on at the end of the dabate.  If it doesn't pass then MPs will vote on the main bill.


Debbie Abrahams, chair of the Commons work and pensions committee has confirmed this afternoon that she will "not be supporting the bill".


Given that the new amendment calling for the bill not to have a second reading got only 39 Labour signatures, most media commentators are predicting that Labour will get the bill though, though by a relatively narrow margin.  More than just these 39 Labour MPs are expected to vote against or abstain.

But the reality is that nobody can be certain, because the rebels are not a unified group and much may depend on whether Liz Kendall makes a better job of today’s proceedings than she did of yesterday’s.

 

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    · 18 hours ago
    It’s disgusting that the government are targeting people on benefits it’s the same old story the rich get richer and the poor get poorer how can that be right it’s beggars belief that a labour government would even consider such a thing I know that the government say that the countries finances were in a complete mess but to expect people on benefits to pay for it is unbelievable if this is how this government is going to carry on then we will see a huge increase in suicide because people can’t afford to live I thought the tories were bad but right now I would welcome back a conservative government as I don’t believe they would have given these cuts in disability a second thought if things don’t change then this government is doomed 
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    · 18 hours ago
    Watching BBC parliament channel 232 now 
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      · 17 hours ago
      @Cuckoo21 are they yawning yet ! and got their heads buried in their mobiles.
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    · 18 hours ago
    Whatever happens , whatever the outcome, these pathetic politicians in office are making a mockery of this country and today the most vulnerable people in society are going to be victims of incompetent politicians and no way this going to save money.
    In the coming months the whole country will be facing tax rises more taxes and more taxes because the pathetic politicians in government can’t get it right from the start a total and utter Shambles…
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    · 18 hours ago
    They are committing electoral suicide.
    They have no idea what they are doing. They should die of shame.
    Imagine having to go out in public, to show your face, after supporting this cruel horror if a bill.
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      · 17 hours ago
      @Ginny52 They have a zero shame policy.  Anybody fronts them and raises a question as in regards to this bill, they will simply say!!! we did it in the best interest of the nation as a whole.

      That way they are not accountable in anyway for the suffering and deaths that they will have caused.

      Many disabled people over the coming four years will have died unnecessarily  as a result, meaning they wont get to see the next general election.  But Labour already know this.
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      · 17 hours ago
      @James I could never walk in street again if I did this.
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      · 18 hours ago
      @Ginny52 I am afraid most politicians today are shameless they do not even resign when they are proven to be wrong. There is no code of honour amongst most of them
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    · 18 hours ago
    Whatever happens , whatever the outcome, these pathetic politicians in office are making a mockery of this country and today the most vulnerable people in society are going to be victims of incompetent politicians and no way this going to save money.
    In the coming months the whole country will be facing tax rises more taxes and more taxes because the pathetic politicians in government can’t get it right from the start a total and utter Shambles…
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    · 19 hours ago
    So realistically it's a forgone conclusion and we have lost? 

    Any so called Labour MP who votes for disabled benefits cuts will have blood on their hands, this bill will kill hundreds of thousands of ill people through poverty and hopelessness. Shame on those who vote for it, you are discriminating against a minority of people who are ill or disabled and can't fight back. 

    How is this not discrimination? How is it not a human rights issue? 
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      · 17 hours ago
      @Kevin. It is electoral suicide and it is discrimination on the basis of disabilities, age, and is a human rights issue including condemnation by the UN special rapport, but it seems to make no difference to most of them. There are some honourable people in the commons but most have either have no backbone and no moral compass to stand up for what is right. Having said that I applaud all those who have stood up and opposed the government 

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