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Disabled activists travelled from England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales to lobby their MPs over the Pathways to Work Green paper, the Disability News Service reports.

As many as 40 MPs held meetings with constituents, including former Conservative work and pensions secretary Sir Iain Duncan Smith, Daisy Cooper, deputy leader of the Liberal Democrats; and former Green party leader Sian Berry.

But others did not turn up, including Ellie Reeves, chair of the Labour party and sister of chancellor Rachel Reeves. Housing minister Matthew Pennycook was another no-show.

According to Disability Rights UK, the lobby was organised by the Coalition Against Benefit Cuts, Disabled People Against Cuts, Disability Rights UK, Well Adapt, Inclusion London and SIC.  

With over 100 people attending it was one of the largest lobbies by the disabled community in over a decade.

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    Slb
    · 19 days ago
    After posting the benefit cut explanation to all Labour MPs on X last week....today I got a response from one!  Hurrah!  It is from Adam Jogee, and simply reads: 

    "Thank you - I have just read your thread in full. I raised a number of these concerns with Minister Timms in my meeting with him and continue to do so."

    Well, if he read it, perhaps someone else did, too?
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    Lill
    · 19 days ago
    The media are there to make money they got Abit of the truth and twist it  to make it  the worst news not seen  starmer say anything about child cap it wasn't mentioned last week a pmqs not that could be seen  and don't think even if they watered down child cap it won't stop lots of MPs voting against disability cuts starmer and Kendal know it there's hope and some MPs are keeping their vote against the cuts away from the media think there will be a last min change as lots of charities have written to a watchdog over human rights there's lots of campaigns protests and MPs saying no the committee has asked for a pause petitions are growing and pressure is to .
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    CaroA
    · 19 days ago
    I know it’s hard to feel much sympathy for Labour MPs at the moment but I’ve been learning something that made me pause for a moment.

    Apparently, Labour MPs can’t just vote freely against the June disability legislation if they want to — they’re under the party whip, which means they’re expected to follow the official Labour line. If they go against it, they risk serious consequences, like losing the Labour whip, which would force them to sit as independents in Parliament and weaken their influence. It wouldn’t necessarily mean they’re expelled from the Labour Party entirely, but it would cut them off from the parliamentary team. They too are dealing with an intransigent system.  We need to keep hoping they/those who do have some backbone - can help persuade ministers etc to change their minds or have the balls/overies?? to vote against.

    So, as frustrated as I feel, I also realise some Labour MPs may be struggling privately — stuck between personal beliefs and heavy party pressure. It’s not to excuse their choices, but maybe it’s worth holding onto this fuller picture whilst we continue the fight. 



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      Cecelia
      · 18 days ago
      @Slb They will pull the vote and go back to the drawing board if they look like losing.we could end up in a half way house in the end.
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      CaroA
      · 18 days ago
      @CaroA Thanks for the feedback — I’m learning too, and it’s been helpful to hear different perspectives.  Absolutely, this isn’t about excusing MPs — it’s about understanding the full terrain we’re fighting on. As The Art of War says: Know your enemy and know yourself, and you need not fear a hundred battles.  

      We’re not here to beg for decency — we’re here to name the truth, hold power to account, and sharpen our strategy.
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      Slb
      · 19 days ago
      @CaroA That's not going to stop a rebellion of possibly 170 - a number which could see the govt lose the vote...which still doesn't have a definite date, it seems.  But the govt is losing control.  A huge majority and it doesn't know what the hell it's doing.
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      Helen Galloway
      · 19 days ago
      @CaroA I see your point and it is an unavoidable situation that MP’s must be in. However I couldn’t in all faith sit there and say as an MP that I would agree with something which was completely against everything I stand for and will cause much anxiety pain homelessness poverty death.  Then there’s the way the party , prime minister , senior ministers have toadied up to Right wing values and voters. With the language coming from Downing street not firm but quite frankly arrogant  bullying combative and contemptuous . I think though you have to keep up pressure of writing to MP’s and doing what we can. Either way if things go through things may well change,  be challenged or prove not viable as we already know that these changes aren’t. 
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      donut face
      · 19 days ago
      @CaroA they were voted in by the people for the people. no sympathy there. if their constituents are not happy with the cuts their MP need to vote accordingly regardless of losing the whip. thats what they are elected to do. if thats too difficult for them then perhaps they should not be in politics at all. and regarding losing  the whip. if it were only a handful of MPs who were rebelling against the cuts just like it was a small handful who rebelled against the WFA and child benefit cap votes then sure they would lose the whip and those that voted against the proposal did indeed lose it. at least they had the more backbone to stand up for the people. with the rebellion of at least 100 MPs upwards regarding the welfare cuts there's no way they would lose the whip as that would decrease labours majority in parliament by 100+ MPs. this is why starmer and his whips are running around like headless chickens as they will not enforce the whip on so many MPs
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    Yorkie Bard
    · 19 days ago
    Daily Mail today


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      Mick
      · 19 days ago
      @Cathedral city Yeah, what is this support can we seek exactly?  The magic wand they think exists that will cure all ailments and make us all into good little workers again.  Pffft.
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      Mick
      · 19 days ago
      @Yorkie Bard
      As usual, most of the comments attacking disabled, immigrants and 'useless breeders' but supporting WFA.  Reform are the Holiest of Holy and we need an election to get Reform to finally come and sort out this country, apparently 🙄🤮  Not surprising of course, being the Daily Fail.
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      Batman
      · 19 days ago
      @Yorkie Bard Yorkie Bard just looks like some delay that’s all their won’t be hardly any benefits left either search for work or that new uc element that supposed to be on the way for people that will never work again how they will determine that I don’t know
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      Cathedral city
      · 19 days ago
      @Yorkie Bard It still says the cuts are likely to happen but people will be given more time to seek support 
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    Frances
    · 19 days ago
    Welfare gaining ground as a discussion topic. Lots of coverage of on R4 Today this morning. Stella Creasy stressed the value of alleviating poverty on economic growth - give poor people money and they spend it! Who knew?
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    Sick and Tired
    · 19 days ago
    ESA Migration To Universal Credit.. the ramped up Migration is now causing delays of up to 3 months for some people to receive their ESA protected Top Ups.  In the mean time you just get basic UC... but when the short staffed ESA staff finally confirm your ESA entitlment your missed top ups will be back dated and paid. I read ir on Rightsnet:  Quote: ‘I’ve had a few cl’s this week who have moved from cbESA to UC before their deadlines and have been told they need to wait for the LCWRA to be awarded as they are very busy and could take up to 3 months and then be backdated’. https://www.rightsnet.org.uk/forums/viewthread/21182/
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      sara
      · 19 days ago
      @Sick and Tired @Sick and Tired - Thanks for that valuable info. It has all gone quiet on the managed migration front!
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      Batman
      · 19 days ago
      @Sick and Tired @Sick and tired that’s why I did my migration back in march because I  knew April onwards would be a shambles and overwhelmed with claims mine took 5 weeks and everything went ok apart from had a few problems with them paying the housing element of uc 
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    robbie
    · 20 days ago

    The Times. I haven't read it because of the pay wall. Might be interesting!

    https://www.google.co.uk/url?q=https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/ministers-weigh-delay-to-soften-blow-of-welfare-cuts-xz7rlw9vn&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwit3r3j87-NAxVCWUEAHRhBFcYQ0PADegQIDRAH&usg=AOvVaw00ayLOAzdpFYUXaHbnKG_4
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    SLB
    · 20 days ago
    According to the Times front page on Monday:

    "disability benefit claimants could get more time to seek new support before Labour's £3.4bn welfare cuts hit as Sir Keir Starmer considers watering down the two-child benefit cap.  Government sources told The Times that 'tweaks' to soften the blow of the cuts were being sought...The government is examining whether longer "transitional periods" can be offered to claimants to lose one benefit to give them a chance to apply for other payments they may be eligible for.

    "Starmer is also facing increasing pressure from about 170 Labour rebels who are thought to be willing to vote against changes to disability benefits, despite insistence from no. 10 that the vote is not linked to other poverty and other welfare issues.  One government source said 'behind the scenes they are looking at stuff.  It's pretty uncertain whether waiting until the budget is how this is going to be able to play out.' The source added that the government needed to be in a position where it can win a vote on proposed welfare changes when MPs get a chance to vote on them next month..."

    I can't see beyond that bit!  The above is edited, leaving out bits about other benefits (two child cap etc). To me, it doesn't make a great deal of sense.  If they think we can apply for other payments, why make the change in the first place?  And what are these mysterious other payments?  

    Benefits also make the front page on the Telegraph - saying how his U-turns are costing £5bn - and the Independent, which says the U-turns won't win back voters. 

    Everything seems to be a complete muddle at the moment, with the winter fuel and two-child cap entering into the arena and, in many ways, obscuring the major cuts to the disabled.  This might well be intentional, I feel.  Try to divert the gaze from the main event.  That said "behind the scenes they are looking at stuff" is, at least, something, I guess.  

    But we are back to where we were for the six months prior to March - newspapers speculating and reporting vague rumours rather than cold, hard facts - and that doesn't really do any of us any good.  I really do wish I could switch off from it all for a week, but I'm finding that impossible. 
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      tintack
      · 19 days ago
      @Mick Well, there's the Fictional Disability Payment and the Imaginary Incapacity Allowance, so we should be fine.
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      tintack
      · 19 days ago
      @donut face The Tories said a few weeks ago that they would vote for the cuts. However, more recently their shadow Work and Pensions secretary was extremely critical - there's a story on this in the B &W news section. Indeed, she was so critical that it sounds as though they may well now vote against the cuts. This will not be because they have suddenly seen the light, but because they see a chance to inflict a major defeat on the government, but if they do vote against and it helps defeat the government, well I'd take it.
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      donut face
      · 19 days ago
      @SLB the "other payments" nonsense is yet more labour blatant gaslighting. and we all thought sunak and stride were bad! the problem is if it were the conservatives were still in government and pushing these cuts through (and yes i know they had similar proposals last year) they would never get through as labour would be up in arms. even if the 150+ labour MPs that are reportedly going to rebel do the conservatives will back these proposals as they know damn well they could never get something like this through. There was a quote a few weeks ago in the news somewhere from an anonymous conservative MP saying basically that ! if the conservatives tried anything like this it would fall but labour are pushing this and there's a very good chance it will go through! absolutely disgraceful
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      donut face
      · 19 days ago
      @godgivemestrength of course there are no "other payments" its absolute tosh! we are claiming everything we are entitled to if you take most of that away there is nothing else to claim! I've got a feeling starmer and his cronies will start droning on about the household support fund scheme which has been extended by a year and is different eligibility criteria set by different local authorities. from my experience its very difficult to get and even if by some miracle you did meet your local authorities criteria for it its an absolute pittance compared to the income you would lose by the cuts
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      Mick
      · 19 days ago
      @tintack Right on the mark!
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    rtbcpart2
    · 20 days ago
    Dearie me, our Keir's got himself in a right pickle.

    Meanwhile, Rayner on the 2 child benefit cap - “I’m not going to speculate on what our government is going to do”

    She's the DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER! It's her government! She should KNOW what it's going to do!

    She says she would never put herself forward as leader. Ooh, Ange, never say never 🤐

    https://www.google.co.uk/url?q=https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/starmer-labour-winter-fuel-child-benefit-rayner-b2757549.html&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjVsumasb-NAxV7dUEAHS0VDpcQ0PADegQIAhAL&usg=AOvVaw0UO1Se7gYr-XbplduVgYto
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      tintack
      · 19 days ago
      @Dez
      "She says she doesn't want to be leader"

      Never believe something in politics until it's officially denied.
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      Mick
      · 19 days ago
      @rtbcpart2 She said exactly that when pressed on sky news yesterday.  The final words said to her in the interview were "Say Never" and she said "Never"!
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      Dez
      · 20 days ago
      @rtbcpart2 She says she doesn't want to be leader but it seems she's also trying to scythe the legs from beneath Starmer at every chance she gets. He tries to do something to win back voters? She's over here going 'news to me!'. 

      As for the question of her not knowing or not, I don't think it particularly matters. As long as she can convince the wider public that she has no idea what Starmer is talking about, it's going to look like he's steering the ship with his eyes closed and not consulting around him before he blindly promises something - anything - in order for his own MPs to not cannibalise him and for the public to not hate him. Not a good look for him at all.

      I can't deny that it's fun to watch/read about.
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    Gingin
    · 20 days ago
    I get to speak to MPs directly in two online ‘listening sessions’ arranged by Carers UK on Tuesday and Thursday. I hope they’re ones who aren’t on our side or who haven’t made up their minds. One session is Labour MPs, the other is MPs from other parties. Time to write some notes…
    I’ll feed back here 

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      tintack
      · 19 days ago
      @Gingin
      Pinto-Duschinsky is one of the worst, as is Alex Ballinger, who thinks the cuts are for those who just need "a bit of encouragement".

      It might be worth politely pointing out to any MPs you get to speak to (especially any that support the cuts) that the chair of the Work and Pensions Select Committee - which is dominated by Labour MPs - has urged the government to pause the cuts. This is for a number of reasons, one of which is the fact that the committee's inquiry into the cuts has received evidence which says that if the cuts go through there is an increased risk of suicides. Given the suicides which were caused by the Tories' cuts to these benefits, and given that Labour's proposed cuts are even worse, "an increased risk" of suicides is putting it mildly - it's pretty much inevitable. I doubt many MPs will want their names to be associated with that.
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      tintack
      · 19 days ago
      @keepingitreal That may well be true in many cases, which just reinforces the need to keep up the pressure on all Labour MPs, whatever their stated position on the cuts.
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      keepingitreal
      · 19 days ago
      @tintack
      Do you know what, even those who oppose the cuts give little indication they understand exactly how claimants are affected. I think our supporters are coming from compassion and/or ideology, which is fine, as far as it goes, but they don't know the day to day reality of life on our budget, or the grinding demoralisation of having to justify and fight, as the goalposts constantly move, for every crumb of sustenance we are begrudgingly given. 

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      Gingin
      · 19 days ago
      @tintack I didn’t think about researching the MPs themselves but it would be a good idea to at least have a list of the ones who don’t support the cuts and particularly the ones who’ve been outspoken in the media  about it. I’ve certainly got my homework set today! 
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      Frances
      · 20 days ago
      @Gingin Go get 'em, Gingin!
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    Old Mother
    · 20 days ago
    « New HS2 fraud allegations as cost could pass £100bn and further delays expected«  iPaper news article on Labour run fraud. 

    5 billion seems a drop in the option compared to this. 

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      Frances
      · 20 days ago
      @Old Mother Quite, and it's not just the financial cost, it's the lives ruined, the completely unjustifiable wreckage.
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    Dave Dee
    · 20 days ago
    They won't back down on benefit cuts, it's become some perverted ideological crusade at this point, they know full well it will hit disabled people hard but they don't care. 

    If they concede I'll only believe it if I see it. My other question is why are Labour scared of Farage? Thatcherite cuts will hurt the poor, Farage in his heart is a Thatcherite. 
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      James
      · 20 days ago
      @Dave Dee Thatcherism is a spent ideology. The reasons Thatcherism was adopted was a result of the influence of the economist Fredrich Von Hayek who believed the markets should be left to themselves to solve issues and not allow for proper planning. This was because in the 1970s the US and other Western Economies had reached stagflation where the economies were stagnant and there was high inflation and there was a rise in poor with no redistribution of wealth to them. Thatcherism (AKA Reganism or neo liberalism) was touted as the solution to the main issue of redistribution of wealth and has been in use since the 1980s (Over 45 years) ago but it has failed in that promise of redistribution of wealth to more people and more importantly with recent experience that of stopping economic stagnation and high inflation. It is a spent ideology that should now be discarded as it has not delivered what it was intended to and a new way must be sought. All Thatcherism achieved was redistribute wealth to the one percent and still did not do away with stagflation either!
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      tintack
      · 20 days ago
      @Dave Dee
      If the Tories vote against the cuts a Labour rebellion of 100 or more MPs could well be enough to defeat the government. If they think there is a significant chance they lose the vote then they may well back down and make some major changes. They won't back down voluntarily, that's true, but the political damage of losing the vote despite their landslide majority would be huge.

      "My other question is why are Labour scared of Farage? Thatcherite cuts will hurt the poor, Farage in his heart is a Thatcherite."

      This is a government of the Labour right. They are far more opposed to the left of their own party than the Tories or Reform. Hence their willingness to adopt right wing policies and expel as many left wingers as possible from the party.
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    Diceman24
    · 20 days ago
    So the government has not decided yet to scrap the 2 child cap perhaps they are waiting for next month when the green paper vote happens perhaps keir starmer is testing the water so that if he gets the green paper goes through this will pay for the 2 child benefit can be payed for or if the disability reform gets voted out than their will cap the 2 child benefit. This government is so under hand playing with disabled lives it’s so wrong.  We will have to wait and see next month if starmer and co have persuaded MPs to vote for the green paper Now . 
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      robbie
      · 19 days ago
      @Diceman24 @Diceman24, it's a waiting game, for sure. Waiting for the vote and the outcome, waiting to see what further hoops we will have to jump through, waiting to see what demands the new pip assessment might make of us and how the magic 4 points are to be scored.

      Just gotta keep fighting while we're waiting!
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    robbie
    · 20 days ago
    A very calm analysis:

    https://www.google.co.uk/url?q=https://www.guardian-series.co.uk/news/25163529.paul-donovan-says-benefit-cuts-not-money/&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjG2umYvb6NAxUeUEEAHTkTGsoQ0PADegQICRAj&usg=AOvVaw09J9Gi1thsU_qmOYZ2ihXm
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      keepingitreal
      · 20 days ago
      @Dave Dee @Dave Dee, or not so "lite".
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      Dave Dee
      · 20 days ago
      @robbie It has everything to do with marginalising disabled people, Farage said it himself "if you don't work you don't eat" and Labour aspire to be Reform lite.
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    Mick
    · 20 days ago
    Kemi Badenoch coming out saying the two child benefit cap must stay.

    Angela Rayner saying she has "No Desire" to be party leader.  Also denies U-turn on WFA.
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    CaroA
    · 20 days ago
    Gaslit by a Narcissistic Government.

    When I listen to experts describe narcissistic behavior, I hear unsettling echoes in how this government is handling the disability benefit cuts.

    Inflating their own brilliance: Ministers proudly declare they are “fixing” a system they themselves are making more cruel and dysfunctional. They talk of reform and moral imperatives, painting themselves as saviors while ignoring the devastation their policies create.

    Denying harm: They insist the cuts are “fair” and “targeted" as the sick and disabled, organisations and charities, and the UN warn of worsening poverty, collapse, and death. Reports, pleas, and warnings are dismissed, replaced by polished press statements that pretend there’s no crisis at all.

    Shifting blame: Instead of acknowledging the brutal political and systemic choices they have made, they frame disabled people as lacking resilience or responsibility — suggesting that if only we tried harder, got a job, or thought differently, we’d be fine.

    Obsessing over image: They seem far more concerned with appearing tough, credible, and decisive — selling a vision of competence and fiscal responsibility — no matter how many lives they harm behind the scenes.

    Lacking empathy: Perhaps most chilling, they offer hollow platitudes and carefully rehearsed soundbites, but no meaningful recognition of the human cost. They avoid real connection, sidestepping the grief, terror, and exhaustion they are inflicting on so many lives.

    Gaslighting: They distort reality so consistently that many of us start to doubt our own experiences. We are told that cuts are “supportive,” that fewer assessments will mean “less stress,” and that people “deserve better pathways to work” —  as the policies make life unlivable. This manipulation of truth erodes confidence and leaves disability benefit recipients questioning themselves and at worst can lead to self-hatred or self harm.

    Many of us here know this feeling: it’s not just bad policy. It’s the experience of being gaslit by a narcissistic system — one that manipulates, punishes, and erases, all while smiling for the cameras.

    We need to please keep reminding each other: we are not imagining it. We are not “too negative” or “too sensitive” or “too demanding, lazy malinger's" etc.” We are living through a political period where severe cruelty is being carefully packaged within a narcissistic political process, and we have every right to name it, challenge it, and keep together working in resistance.

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      CaroA
      · 19 days ago
      @CaroA Thank you for your lovely comments — it really means a lot to feel seen and understood in these conversations.

      I wanted to add one more reflection: Our political culture is obviously steeped in the ideology of the public school and Oxbridge elite — a system riddled with narcissistic traits, where brutal toughness and elitism are celebrated and vulnerability ignored or suppressed. And it’s not just those born into privilege. The “wannabes” — from Liz Truss to Liz Kendall, Stephen Timms, Rachel Reeves — often seem desperate to prove they belong. 


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      Joseph Hargreaves.
      · 20 days ago
      @CaroA What an intelligent and accurate post,well done agree with everything you said. 
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      Gingin
      · 20 days ago
      @CaroA CaroA- preach it sister. Your analysis is spot on. I find myself questioning the legitimacy of our claim because everyone in the system, and many in the media and general public, look on us with distrust and disdain. It gives me some solace to know that we in this community are supporting
      and fighting for each other. 
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      Mick
      · 20 days ago
      @CaroA
      Glove and hand!

      A perfect summary 👌
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      Dave Dee
      · 20 days ago
      @CaroA It's a political persecution of a group, if it was any other group everyone would be crying about it.
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    Gingin
    · 20 days ago
    ITV coverage of a Cardiff protest yesterday. It’s the second news item.

    There’s another protest in Cardiff on 3rd June. Meet at Cardiff train station 12pm. Other details on DPAC website. 

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    Gingin
    · 20 days ago
    BBC article about Reform’s next strategic move below. Nigel sees Labour drowning over winter fuel and child benefit, so he swims over and holds them down.  He’s cosying up to pensioner voters and parents but I’m  certain he’d gleefully throw disabled people under the bus (this means  disabled children who grow into disabled adults of course too). After all, pensioners and children are innocent; disabled people not so much. 

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg9v0ylv8vo
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      rookie
      · 20 days ago
      @Gingin @Gingin, we are, and Labour is struggling.
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      Gingin
      · 20 days ago
      @rookie We are, right??? But it seems Labour is struggling to see our cute factor right now
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      Mouseclickkeyboardtap
      · 20 days ago
      @Gingin Speaking about Nigel Farage and buses, remember that mislead slogan on that awful Brexit bus from May 2016. "We send the EU £350 million a week, Lets fund our NHS instead vote leave". That was a lie and I am probably 99.9% certain that Nigel isn't being truthfully honest about this too! 
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      rookie
      · 20 days ago
      @Gingin @Gingin, ahem, cute you said, "I think we’re cute. Downright adorable in fact." 😝
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    rtbcpart2
    · 21 days ago
    Liz Kendall has said a future dependent on benefits alone is not good enough for people in Blackpool, Birkenhead or Blaenau Gwent.

    Tbh, it's not great for people in Amersham, Altringham and Ammanford; Chester, Cheltenham and Cardiff; Darlington, Dudley and Dolgellau; Ely, Evesham and Ebbw Vale (you get the idea)

    and you want to make it make it worse, minister?
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      Mick
      · 20 days ago
      @rtbcpart2
      A future dependent on her, Starmer, Reeves, Timms or Morgan McSweeney and blue labour is not good enough for the entire UK.  So, what do they intend to do about that??

      I know what the UK people will do about it.  They'll find out when  elections come around...

      They have been warned at the recent local elections and are on notice.  P45's incoming!!!
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    Diceman24
    · 21 days ago
    With keir starmer now going back on 2 child benefit to please the labour MPs I’m thinking now they will get the disability cuts through now so looks like starmer and co have now got enough mps on their side. I do prey I’m wrong 
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      rookie
      · 20 days ago
      @rookie From the down votes I think folk have misinterpreted my comment ("You are wrong"). I was replying to @Diceman because he (I'm assuming he) was praying he was wrong in worrying that a uturn on the 2 child benefit cap would get the green paper voted through. I wasn't saying others above were wrong, which is how it seems people have read it. I must remember to name the person I'm replying to. I don't care about the down votes, but I don't want to upset any of you valiant people. 
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      tintack
      · 20 days ago
      @SLB
      "But if the Mps against the cuts have some moral fibre (and we assume they do)",

      At least some of them have some moral fibre (John McDonnell being one example), and even if there are some that don't, one thing they will all have is a desire to hold on to their seats.

      "they're not going to accept disabled people being plunged into poverty as some weird trade deal to get some kids out of poverty"

      Especially as there are disabled people who have children, so it's not just the two child cap, the disability cuts will also have an adverse effect on the level of child poverty!
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      tintack
      · 20 days ago
      @Diceman24
      Labour canvassers during the local elections reported that disability cuts were raised repeatedly on the doorstep. Labour MPs know that this issue is costing them votes, and therefore potentially their seats - and it's costing them votes before the cuts have even been voted on, let alone implemented. Labour MPs will have a hard time defending their seats at the next election if the cuts have passed and the consequences are becoming apparent to the public.

      I doubt the government will quash the rebellion by using the two child cap as a way to bribe its own MPs into letting them throw sick and disabled people under the bus. Remember, giving ground on the WFA was supposed to stem the rebellion over disabiity cuts. It hasn't worked, so now they're throwing the two child cap in there as well. It looks like another desperate move from a politically incompetent government that didn't expect this level of backlash and is increasingly rattled by it. 
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      SLB
      · 21 days ago
      @Diceman24 I understand that concern, as I have it, too.  But it also could embolden those against the cuts into thinking they can get the disability cuts changed too.  There's also the issue that he's pushed any announcement about the two child cap until the autumn - AND the winter fuel allowance announcement will be in the autumn.  But if the Mps against the cuts have some moral fibre (and we assume they do), they're not going to accept disabled people being plunged into poverty as some weird trade deal to get some kids out of poverty - especially with no details on the changes to either the benefit cap or the winter fuel changes.  What it looks like to me is a government that doesn't know what the hell it is doing or why it is doing it.  This seems, bizarrely, as chaotic as the Tories.  
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      rookie
      · 21 days ago
      @Diceman24 You are wrong.

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