Many commentors on the Benefits and Work website have expressed confusion about where a series of government concessions since Friday, culminating in yesterdays final hour climbdown, leave them.  We’re not surprised.  As one Labour MP said in the debate “I popped out for a banana earlier on and, when I came back in, things had changed again. “

We’ve done our best to explain how matters currently stand with Labour’s welfare reform shambles.

Pip 4-point rule

Last week the government announced that current claimants would be protected from the PIP 4-point rule in the Universal Credit and Personal Independence Payment Bill.  Instead, it would only affect new claimants from November 2026.

But in virtually the final hour of the debate last night, Timms told the Commons:

"I can announce that we are going to remove the clause five from the bill at committee, that we will move straight to the wider review, sometimes referred to as the Timms review, and only make changes to PIP eligibility, activities and descriptors following that review."

Clause 5 is the 4-point rule.

What this means is that the 4-point rule is being removed entirely from the bill.  It will not apply to any claimants at all, at any time.  There is no PIP 4-point rule for anyone.  

Instead, any changes to PIP will be decided by the Timms review. 

 Universal credit

New universal credit (UC) health element claimants from April 2026 will still see their UC health element almost halved and frozen.

Existing UC LCWRA claimants were already protected in the bill  from the cut to the UC health element and in a further concession they are to be protected from the freeze.

Severe conditions criteria

There have been no changes to the extremely hard to meet severe conditions criteria as a result of last night’s debate.

Everything else

The bill only covers those three issues.  Every other proposal, such as the abolition of the WCA, the proposal to amalgamate contributory ESA and JSA into a single time limited contributory benefit  and not paying 18-21 year old PIP recipients the health element of UC is not affected by last night’s vote.  They will all require separate legislation of their own.

Timms review

The Timms review was not due to report until after the 4-point rule had already started.  Now, any changes to PIP will have to wait until after the Timms review makes its recommendations.

In theory, the review could recommend bringing in the 4-point rule.  In practice that would be extraordinarily politically damaging and also unnecessary.  There are many more ways that Labour can cut eligibility to PIP without using that particular device, which was adopted mainly because it was quick and easy to implement.

The review is very wide ranging and is likely to make considerable changes to the PIP assessment, not least as the new single assessment is intended to be the gateway to the UC health element, if the WCA is scrapped. So the points system may look very different by the time Timms reports.

The review is supposed to be coproduced with disabled people.  But what that means in practice we have yet to see.  Green Paper consultations have been an insulting farce and we know the government is keen to halt the rising cost of PIP. 

We also know that Timms is a zealot when it comes to the idea that cutting people’s benefits will make them more likely to find work.

Plus, the secretary of state, currently Liz Kendall, gets to make the final decision on what changes are brought before parliament after the review reports.

So there are still difficult times ahead.

Was there anything positive about last night’s result?

This depends on your point of view. 

The government got their bill through its first vote and that is undoubtedly a bad thing. 

New disabled claimants of UC from April 2026 will be hit very hard by the cut and freeze to the health element.

And the Timms review could still attempt to impose severe cuts on PIP.

But, disabled people and disability groups took on a government with a majority of 165 and an utter contempt for disabled claimants.  They were forced to fight against a bill that was only published on 18 June and is being rushed through parliament at breakneck speed to try to prevent opposition.

And yet, with everything in their favour, the government have been forced into a series of humiliating concessions.  The centrepiece of the bill, the PIP 4-point rule is gone and with it, almost all the £5 billion in savings that Labour planned to make on the backs of disabled claimants.

In fact, there have been so many changes to the bill that even the name is wrong now – it has nothing to do with personal independence payment anymore.  

So yes, in our view there are some very positive things about last night.  But, unfortunately, that doesn’t mean the fight doesn’t go on and on . . . starting with the third reading of the bill on 9 July.

Correction:  we referred to a government amendment in a previous update, this was in fact an amendment from Steve Darling, Liberal Democrat MP.  Thanks to John for pointing this out. 

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    · 3 hours ago
    I dont understand how the esa rule would affect me i am in the support group on new style esa not means tested but I do also recieve some UC I have been on this 2 years. They said that I will remain on this but with them saying about limited time what does that mean for me and people like me. It is all very confusing
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    · 3 hours ago
    Steve darling is my local mp… he will fight for us all.. 
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    · 8 hours ago
    Many thanks to John with a capital 'J' on this site and for B&W acknowledging John pointing this out!

    I am in the category of 'LWCRA' indefinitely, currently as it stands. However, descriptor 7 in the amendments to protect us has left a lacuna.

    Or more to the Point Mr Timm's and his 'Timms' report omitted it with intent!

    With staff currently employed at the DWP they are either through insufficient training or the job has gone to their heads attempting to make their own sanctions when there are NO sanctions there in the 1st place for them to be making those demands.

    All I am going to say is this IT HAS ALREADY caused harm! PHYSICALLY UNABLE TO FULFILL THOSE DEMANDS HENCE REASON  CLAIMANTS HAVE BEEN PUT INTO THAT CATEGORY 

    If this is NOT raised then I can see a fatality occurring at the Job Centres and with the  inadequately qualified Work Coaches that they are bragging about!


     
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    · 12 hours ago
    Claiming PIP in the future after Nov 2026 will be even more challenging. Semantics and hair splitting will become order of the day to grind anyone legitimate out. If the parliamentary cabinet wont even listen to its own MP’s what real hope do disabled people have in shaping future reform policy. I find Kendall nothing short of revolting, her forlorn facial expressions in photos, I found seriously offensive. Irrespective of any progress to be made with PIP reform if this government only lasts one term, its likely Reform will gain power, if they do, they promise even greater welfare cuts than Kendall, Reeves and Starma meaning any real progression for disabled people will be very short lived.
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    · 13 hours ago
    Call me cynical, but I sense PIP reviews were suddenly taking a lot longer to get decisions. I think it was because they were trying to hang out decisions until the new legislation. Hopefully, things might speed up again now. It could of course be that the DWP are an increasing omni-shambles and that's what's causing the delays I guess so incompetence, rather than malicious intent if I'm being generous.
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      · 3 hours ago
      @Sean I have just had a tx stating my review is complete one week after a letter to state they have extended my claim for a year as they have not looked at my review yesterday now after 7 months of sending back my review forms I have to wait for a letter to tell me if it is done or not cause they won't tell me on the phone 
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    · 13 hours ago
    We need to keep this momentum going. When are they planning on bringing these other bills? Is there any proposed dates yet? 

    I'm particularly interested in the esa - limited sickness benefits. All of these cuts make me so angry, the vast majority if people who are too sick to work need to be supported not thrown on the scrap heap. 

    Genuine question- if your not entitled to means tested benefits and you use your 6months ir 12months sickness benefit which ever might be decided/ proposed. What happens then? ( maybe this is were the assisted dying bill kicks in.....) 

    The UK is in a dire state!
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    · 13 hours ago
    Just to think I voted for these bunch of clowns, makes me want to rip my own head off. I will never forgive myself. lucky for me I'm not religious, because there would be no place in heaven for me. Doesn't matter though anyway because life is hell every day. On a bright note......... Yeh nothing 
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    · 14 hours ago
    Two tier Keir and fake tears Reeve's. Get them out. In the bin!
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      · 11 hours ago
      @Cuckoo21 Seeing those crocodile tears was disgusting, I have cried every single night and fearing the worst since these cuts were announced! To her it's her job, to us it's literally our lives.
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    · 14 hours ago
    Whatever Rachel thieves was crying about, I couldn't give less of a poo. She has caused so many people suffering, stress and sleepless nights. What about our tears? I didn't actually see any tears come out of her eyes, did I miss it? Yeah she looked upset and rough, that's how I  look most days, so what. Boo hoo. No sympathy from me, nice try it doesn't wash with me luv.
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      · 3 hours ago
      @Cuckoo21 They said on gb news that a senior Labour party person had had words with her then linsey coils had had a go at her with she got to the house of commons and she bust out crying they said when the speaker asked why she was crying like that someone had had a go at her in downing street. But hey in the long run she needs to stop the Croc tears kendal and reeves have caused people to consider ending their lives so what goes round comes round 
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      · 12 hours ago
      @Cuckoo21 Oh and then I heard it was a row with the speaker who set her off.

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      · 12 hours ago
      @Cuckoo21 Wasn't crying about us that's for sure. I've heard several rumours as to why she was crying. Not less she's days left before she's binned. But I cant see that happening,also her and Starmer had "words" earlier in the day. All Hearsay i  guess.
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    · 14 hours ago
    There used to be 3 levels on the old DLA  payment system, low, medium and high for the daily living component. Then that all got changed to low and high, no middle payment so I suspect those that may have been on the middle but couldn't qualify for the high rate were downgraded to the low rate...SO....I'm wondering if they wont try that trick with the PIP ...in that if you don't meet a certain criteria on the low level of daily living, will they try and get people off pip low level thereby saving their millions in the process?
    Let's face it, they won't make savings any other way..

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    · 15 hours ago
    Too late and not enough. Labours welfare bill is still a threat to us all. Starmer and his cronies have been severely embarrassed by their forced climb down.
    The threat of labour Mps not backing the Bill has been to St extremely damaging to Starmers authority. Reeves obvious upset is only because she will probably be moved from her job and good riddance to her. She will still however keep her massive wage and expenses she will have income for food,bills and a home to live in. Yet she cries after pushing welfare changes to save money off people who have very little except a daily struggle with chronic ill health,social bias viewing us as scroungers and fraudsters and a constant struggle to keep our homes and basics like food and heat. She chose to attack the very weakest in society to save money so they could claim to be harder than the Tories on the poor. But no mention of chasing Billions hoarded by the super rich and cooperations.
    Personally my Mp has shown her stripes by voting for the bill. I thought she would but I will be letting her know she will never get my vote or recommendation. 
    Everyone needs to find out how their Mp voted and if they voted for tell them you will remember and never vote for them again. Only the pressure of public opinion and terror of losing their massive wage and lucrative job has pushed the changes back.
    They have not changed their minds because they care about our welfare our us. 
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    · 15 hours ago
    My MP Ed Milliband couldn't be bothered to reply to my letter in which I told him a very vulnerable friend of mine was so terrified they were thinking about the other Bill his Party voted for recently. That meant they wouldn't be here. He still voted for this travesty. I don't trust Timms or anything he's involved in. The fight is not over. Thank you to everyone for standing up to this dreadful Government.
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      · 3 hours ago
      @Yorkshire Lady You should write again and demand an answer. I wrote to my MP, who is a Tory and I have always hated the Tory party.  He answered and said they may have done reform but would have taken a lot longer to do it, giving people time to adjust and for it to be properly debated! Amazing when you get more compassion from a Tory than the Labour leadership.
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    · 15 hours ago
    Timms and Kendal are just like Burke and Hare, except they're trying to put vulnerable people in their graves. Timms is a bigot an HATES disabled people. My MP, Ian Byrne, voted against it all and has kept constituents up to date all during the process.
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      · 13 hours ago
      @Anne M Thankfull that Mr Byrne, Kim Johnson & Paula Barker stood up against this and had the moral decency to do so. Not same can be said for my MP Maria Eagle or of  Dan Carden. At least we have 3 decent MPs in Liverpool
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    · 15 hours ago
    I would like to see some of the many disabled organisations also involved in the Timms Review.

     I’m very glad that disabled people will be included but many will not be simply because they are not well enough. We’ve already been ignore and/or shut out of so called involvement with the Green Paper.

    I would like charities like Scope, Carers UK, MS Society and so many others to have a say in this and be very involved.

    I would like the Timms Review to be open and transparent, especially to everyone who cannot be at the table.

    Timms is doubtless getting paid big bucks to do a job that has become a poisoned chalice. 

    He should earn it.
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      · 11 hours ago
      @Moose MIND in particular and the various ASD/ADHD groups should all be involved, given that all the right-wing parties (which includes 'Labour') have now openly stated their cynical bias against mental illness and neurodivergence.

      But I won't hold my breath waiting for that to happen.
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    · 16 hours ago
    For the first time in 35 years I have had to apply for PIP after a recent diagnosis from the hospital, it was rejected and zero points, I did a mandatory reconsideration and included unarguable medical evidence, I have carers coming in to my house 7 days a week and can barely walk more than a few steps, I’m on oxygen, steroid inhaler and anti depressants, I feel like a burden. I still got zero points after the MR 😤 
    It’s now going to tribunal. 
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      · 4 hours ago
      @RB My uncle in his 60s who has had severe epilepsy since age 16 when a bus conductor pushed him down the bus stairs was refused PIP. He also has a broken neck from a later accident ffs!  At tribunal.the judge said he was a classic example of people being failed by a broken farcical system and should never have had to get this far recommended the highest rate. 
      The very best of luck to.you!
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      · 5 hours ago
      @RB Hang in there and stay strong.  I’ve been to tribunal twice in recent years on behalf of my daughter. Last time we went in with 2 points and came out with 23!
      🤞all goes well for you. 
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      · 11 hours ago
      @Mary Exactly. It's absolutely ridiculous. When you see people go from 0 points - no award to a full high award you know capita, atos whatever companies are hired to carry out medical assessments by "trained professionals" is a load of bull shine!
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      · 11 hours ago
      @RB Going to tribunal increases your chance of an award massively. The figures confirm it. Hang on in there. Although it's unnecessary and stressful, this is what the DWP rely on, people not being able to cope  or understand the process of a tribunal. And it just costs more money. It's ridiculous. It's designed to deter people. Many people get the decision overturned in their favour at tribunal. I'm sorry you are having to go through this unnecessary nonsense but stay strong. All the best.
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      · 12 hours ago
      @RB We all understand.  There are so many good decent folk on this forum. So we get it. Don't give up. X
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    · 16 hours ago
    A Conservative MP and an other panellist were attacking PIP claimants on Politics Live today (2 July). The panellist said that some people get PIP for acne and some families get £40k a year in disability and other benefits. They both referred to the growing number of people claiming PIP on mental health grounds. They also dismissed mental health as if these conditions 

    The BBC programme then showed a radio 5 clip, in which a caller said his son has a deformed hand but doesn't want or need PIP. He claimed his son is an accountant, with a son used PIP on shares and stocks! 
    This is why people need to keep fighting and contacting their MPs. 
    We need to stay strong and fight any future unfair and ideological cuts. 
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      · 3 hours ago
      @tintack We learn that whoever is getting got at in the media expect to be targeted next. Your example appears to advocate means testing. 
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      · 3 hours ago
      @Antony Mental ill health can kill and does. They dismiss young people with mental ill health but the suicide rate among young men is massively high, and mental illness is one of the leading causes. Mental ill health also can mean you can't lead a normal life as your mind paralyses you from moving from your bed sometimes.  ANd it can be therapy resistant, meaning counselling etc doesn't work.
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      · 12 hours ago
      @Antony
      "The BBC programme then showed a radio 5 clip, in which a caller said his son has a deformed hand but doesn't want or need PIP. He claimed his son is an accountant, with a son used PIP on shares and stocks!"

      That could have come straight from the Daily Mail. Even by the BBC's miserably degraded standards it was truly awful stuff. Highlighting something so exceptional and unrepresentative while ignoring the far larger number of people who are wrongly turned down and have to go to tribunal to get the support they need is pathetic and a sad indictment of how low journalistic standards have now fallen at the BBC. 
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    · 16 hours ago
    Timms is a disgrace,  He is supposed to be on our side. Instead he is spiteful individual.  My mp voted for the cuts,  he's labour as well. Only cares about his career. Kendell ,reeves and Timms should go. All the front bench really. 
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    · 16 hours ago
    At this stage in their lives, government ministers should know the difference between correlation and causation (Timms). Geez! And these people are entrusted with running a country 🙄
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    · 16 hours ago
    I have written to my MP who is  Mr Bayo Alaba Who completely ignored my email. There was not even an acknowledgement of receipt. So what do you do when your MP does not respond to his constituents. He did of course, it now transpires, vote for this appalling bill. No surprise there. 
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      · 14 hours ago
      @Alison Gray My MP sent a reply stating he was against the changes to pip yet after the vote it showed a list of who said yes who said no and as for my MP being against it he voted for it to go ahead. 
      That is absolutely disgusting and just shows how corrupt the government is.
      I will wait to see the response I get after telling him he’s as bad as the rest of them, blatantly stating he didn’t agree with any of the planned changes to voting for them, I’m disgusted. 
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    · 17 hours ago
    Liz Kendall got heckled by my MP mid interview while walking past. Shame the mic didn't hear it better. 

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      · 15 hours ago
      @Dee @Dee Good for Sorcha Eastwood. 👍

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