The Labour government will not be responding to the plan to replace PIP with vouchers, Stephen Timms has announced, in what appears to be the death knell for the proposal - at least for now.

Timms, minister for disability, was answering a question from Lib Dem MP Wendy Chamberlain who asked whether the DWP “plans to respond to the consultation entitled Modernising support for independent living: the health and disability green paper, which closed on 22 July 2024.”

Timms replied on 14 October:  “We do not intend to publish a response to the previous Government’s consultation. We will be considering our own plans for social security in due course and will fulfil our continued commitment to work with disabled people so that their views and voices are at the heart of all that we do.”

In response to a similar question from independent MP Alex Easton, Timms added that  “ We will be considering our own plans for social security in due course. As we develop proposals, we will consider the potential impacts of reform on disabled people.”

Whilst Labour have already said they would be producing their own proposals for social security, this is the first time they have confirmed that the Tory green paper is effectively dead.

This does not rule out the possibility that Labour could come up with similar ideas in the future, but it makes it much less likely.  It is very improbable that the government would decline to respond to a consultation on PIP vouchers and yet very soon afterwards unveil their own plan to introduce exactly the same thing.

Other proposals in the Tory green paper included replacing PIP with:

  • A catalogue/shop scheme
  • A receipt based system
  • One-off grants

The document also raised the possibility of changing the criteria for PIP by, for example,

  • removing the points for aids and appliances and for prompting,
  • removing some PIP activities
  • stopping claimants who get a lot of low scoring descriptors from being eligible.

It would be preferable if Labour would simply say outright that it has no plans to replace PIP cash payments with a voucher scheme.  But the party seems addicted to saying as little as possible about anything that concerns disabled claimants, instead preferring to leave people uncertain and distressed.

For the moment then, this seems the closest we are going to get to a denial. But there really does seem little likelihood that this month's budget or DWP white paper will contain a plan for PIP vouchers or for any of the other wholesale changes to PIP put forward by the Conservatives.

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    · 29 days ago
    I really can not see how a voucher scheme would work anyway.
    a) The variety of and timing of services/products specific needs to a disabled persons vary so much and the 'standard' nhs offerings/suggestions don't always fit the requirements.
    b) Even now getting VAT off suppliers of major projects such as alterations to home/bathrooms etc is a negotiation/wrangle.
    c) Any voucher scheme surely would surely cost more to administer/publicise or restrict offerings?

    Having had to purchase(on loan)  car with electronic handcontrols (motability offerings not suitable);do both bathrooms for access;wheelchair; all-terrain wheelchair, hoist and various adaptions annual maintenance of all equipment and replacement of parts/other accessories needed involving so many different organisations wonder how government could ever provide a scheme other than 'money' to support mine or anyother disabled persons needs without causing more anxiousness. Out of nearly 70M people in UK there is only a small minority percentage of us needing PIP.
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    · 29 days ago
    Even if they don't wish to comment, it would be nice to know the outcomes from the consultation. 
    Not commenting, or ignoring the outcomes, would be a great way for them to introduce similar measures without having to say why they have gone against the responses.
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      · 23 days ago
      @Loonz I think Labour just don’t want to acknowledge any proposals put forward by the opposition party, especially since the vouchers thing caused such an uproar (even though it was not the only idea included). 

      But whatever Labour do will also cause an uproar, won’t it? Hopefully Labour will work with Scope, Mind and others. Scope has itself said PIP does need reforms. In this economic climate, I can’t honestly see the amounts paid suddenly going up hugely, though.

      If they could make savings by attacking tax evasion and profiteering energy giants, that would help because maybe less would need slicing off the benefits bill. But the big problem remains of the UK being the only economy that hasn’t recovered after the pandemic. Why is that? What’s going on here that isn’t going on in other western nations? 
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    · 1 months ago
    The problem with getting rid of the cash system is that wages and benefits are so low a lot of disabled people use it for household bills . Many people argue against cash as they think people on it use it for holidays etc when in reality it helps people exist 
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      · 27 days ago
      @Chronically ill But they should be allowed to use it on holidays anyway.  Disabled people deserve them as much as anyone else.
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    · 1 months ago
    I wouldn't trust the Labour DWP minister as far as I could throw him. What they say, and what they do are often miles apart. We will have more idea after the budget, but I fear that they will get the amount they are paying down some other way. IF the voucher scheme is a goner that is a good thing, but you can bet they are working on something that could have a similar impact on PIP claimants. I pray I can come back next month and say how wrong I was.
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      · 23 days ago
      @TwistedWitch That seems a bit harsh. I think Timms is trying to do what he can to make sure people’s views and voices are heard. But he doesn’t have the final say, he’s a cog in a big wheel. If he’s doing this survey thing it looks like he’s trying to gather evidence and information on disability needs so they can start to firm up their ideas. 
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      · 29 days ago
      @TwistedWitch Beware of this Labour DWP Secr, Liz Kendall. A relic from the last Labour govt. Quite hard line and definitely right of centre in these issues.
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    · 1 months ago
    I didn't vote labour or Tory , got the reasons that A) that the Tories would implement it & B) Labour did not say whether they would or wouldn't . This govt have plans in place through the back door , they just don't declare them.  It affects me as I have spinal stenosis and get both rates. I didn't know about PIP or claimed for it , it was only someone I know from work that advised me to claim, I've had this condition for over 10 years. This is my first year of claiming PIP  it's the only thing I can claim for as I had redundancy + savings. I'm now living off from savings ,& awaiting further fusions  yes the money does help to pay my rent but I've also bought slot of things to help my daily life . I hope to god they don't bring this policy in any form  in the future ?
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    · 1 months ago
    I have just had to change the design of my bathroom due to my deteriorating health . I have to now have a walk in shower system which will cost £8500. As I own my property I will not get the work done for free and a grant is so difficult and the process so lengthy to get I will use my care element of PIP to pay the loan I have had to take out. Seems a correct way to use the cash payment I receive. Most of the major companies do not undertake grant work anyway for bathroom conversion. How would a voucher system cover my scenario!!! ?? . The answer is it wouldn’t. It’s about time the walkie talkies listened to disabled people and not pander to common opinion 
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    · 1 months ago
    Stupid voucher scheme! I use PIP to help pay my household bills; for taxi fares to and from health appointments; for care and health supplements etc and vouchers and catalogues for aids and appliances are ridiculous! 
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    · 1 months ago
    As I said last month... a Labour Baroness is on record saying a voucher scheme would NOT be used.
    "People need dignity" she said.

    Of course they can change their minds but as The Guardian pointed out: 

    "It would be impossible and very costly to impleand run a scheme that involved a receipt basedsystmem!"

    (Don't forget, they are 5 years behind on PiP reviews already.)

    IMHO, they need a 2 Tier System: a lower rate for short term - 24 month reviews or less - and the current rate for longer term awards.

    And maybe -- at most -- reduce the amounts by say 10-15 percent, across the board for new claimants, unless they demonstrate a specific "need" for more.

    How will they possibly re-evaluate 2 million people ?

    Laughable.




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      · 29 days ago
      @Gabe L Labour Baroness saying this and that is irrelevant. Watch out for that relic from the last Lab govt, Liz Kendall. Quite Tory-ish on these issues. 
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      · 1 months ago
      @Gabe L Why would you want ‘new claimants’ to receive less monetary help than you? 

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      · 1 months ago
      @Gabe L
      so terminally ill people would be dead before a decent amount of money kicked in under your proposal.

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      · 1 months ago
      @Gabe L Several members of my family actually work for the DWP. They tell me that so far as re-assessing everyone and forcing everyone over to UC or whatever, that this is just a joke. They tell me that there are STILL people on IB, never mind DLA or PIP. It will never happen..
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    · 1 months ago
    Well, if the voucher scheme is indeed dead in the water, this recipient of enhanced rate (x2) breathes a huge sigh of relief! 
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    · 1 months ago
    I have chronic anxiety, depression, paranoia and OCD. I don’t go out at all other than to a support group once a week; it’s the only form of social contact I have and can handle. 

    The symptoms are a constant daily struggle and thoughts of suicide also come and go all the time.

    My local mental health services discharged me years ago (and have done nothing but dismiss my suffering ever since and even at one point question their own earlier diagnosis of OCD). The only help I receive is via my GP via medication as no form of therapy ever worked after nearly 30 years.

    Ever since the current government starting mulling over cuts to sickness benefits, I’ve been in a state of constant worry and despair; and now it’s been more or less confirmed suicide may be my only option.

    Thoughts of work terrify me as I’ve tried many times only to eventually have a massive panic attack with bad suicidal thoughts.

    The only thing that keeps me going is the affect my passing would have on my family.

    I though the Labour Party were supposed to care.


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      · 29 days ago
      @Gabe L A decent standard of living if you do work is what people want
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      · 29 days ago
      @Bix
      Being loved by the Universe doesn't help.

      A decent standard of living if you are unable to work is what people want.
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      · 1 months ago
      @Anon Hi Anon, I read your post and just wanted to tell you that suicide is not something you need to consider. You are loved by the universe even though it doesn't feel like that alot of the time. Your soul wanted you to experience all that you have gone through so far in your life and deal with it. Don't know if you have, but have a look on YouTube for ways to deal with anxiety, suicidal thoughts etc in an holistic way. You will probably never find the help and support you need from our current system but there ARE ways to rewire your thoughts. I urge you to watch some of this helpful stuff - just remember you were born here to do something and this is your challenge to do. Wishing you all the love and luck in the world with it. X🙏💗
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      · 1 months ago
      @Anon I know it is difficult not to stress but try to see that its only worth stressing out if and when any changes happen. Otherwise you are making yourself ill with worry over something that may never happen. I do find this site is sometimes guilty of scaremongering. 
      Any changes to benefits may not happen til next year or even the next and it is such a waste of life to spend years worrying. 
      I wish I could have all the time back that I spent stressing out about things that never came to pass. 
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    · 1 months ago
    Please I'm begging u u don't seem to understand that severely disable people like my self doesn't get enough money to live as it is and people have to use some of there pip money to eat and try to have a normal life .I'm terrified if u change my pip as I've got copd and brittle bones and awaiting for a bag to replace my bowel I'm only 49 and so scared u are going to force people to worry I'm not supposed to have any stree and this goes off the scale we don't get enough money as it is remember why the covid started universal credit people got extra money each week on top of there benefits and disable people got nothing .even when it went to court I don't know how can a judge say that there was discrimination against disable people but then say they don't deserve any back pay .this is what u should do that is fight for the right for us to have the extra money I watch it on the internet and our solicitors t@/ represented disabled people should have appeal Because really he said nothing didn't fight enough plus if a judge says there is enough evidence that disable people did get treated unfairly then we should be entitled to the back pay please remember we always get pushed aside but we have feelingd
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      · 1 months ago
      @Joanne green
      I agree.

      People with mental health issues just need a living income to minimise stress.

      A simple cost-benefit analysis is all it takes.

      Hospitalisation is 2K/wk.
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    · 1 months ago
    I voted Labour and I think that I've made a mistake, was this Mr. Timms a tory politician before being a Labour politician, I should of voted tory or Liberal, a confused sick man
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      · 1 months ago
      @Tonygandy7@gmail.com I’m a Labour member and I too am disabled chronic heart failure and I to am regretting it. Prehaps I should if abstained. I am deeply worried that being disabled and retiring in 8 weeks time on one private pension and state pension it isn’t going to be enough. With my pip under review and has been for 5 months now. Who knows what’s going to happen next. Gary 
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      · 1 months ago
      @Tonygandy7@gmail.com IF you had voted tory, everything you are frightened about WOULD have happened, 100%. You made the right choice..
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    · 1 months ago
    HI, this is not accurate, Labour has not explicitly ruled it out, neither written statement supports the inference in your report.
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      · 1 months ago
      @darinfan They are cutting £3bn form the welfare budget and have confirmed they will be reforming the WCA. I wouldn't take such a flippant tone; this Labour govt are going to be just as bad as Cameron and Osborne, if not worse.
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      · 1 months ago
      @Rick B This is very true. Their language has been vague - although I suspect this is because they simply don’t have a damn clue what they’re doing. 
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      · 1 months ago
      @Rick B Well they haven't ruled out sending us to the moon either, but considering they have said that reaction to some of the proposals was almost completely negative, that they are not responding to the consultation,.and that they will announce their own proposals later gives a pretty big clue as to what is not happening.
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    · 1 months ago
    It's all well and good getting vouchers but what if and emergency was to happen that the vouchers doesn't cover! It's alright for prime ministers and mp's who have a luxurious lifestyle and choose whatever they want to buy without a second thought, but it's absolutely disgraceful that the government feels they have the right to dictate to people with disabilities to help ease difficulties in their life.
    If you ask me when you think about it it's a form of cohersive control and last time I checked that enforses a prison sentence.
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    · 1 months ago
    Following on from my post yesterday about being relieved, apparently the DWP today have stated they are still 'considering' PIP changes amid speculation on future of disability benefit reform. I'm very confused and the DWP need to have a clear message as it's just unfair.

    https://www.bigissue.com/news/social-justice/dwp-pip-disability-benefits-reform-changes/
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      · 1 months ago
      @darinfan Darinfan, thank you, you have just stated exactly my thoughts on all this; it was just media hype from the start. It is appalling that so many disabled peeps have been left so distressed by these organisations endeavour to lead the 'click race'. Until there is some direct communication from the government regarding their plans for any changes to any benefits we would all be best advised to either treat such articals with a generous pinch of salt or, better yet, not bother reading them at all.  Here’s hoping you all have a lovely day! !
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      · 1 months ago
      @darinfan But might there changes be even worse than a voucher scheme. Reeves keeps banging on about a 22 billion black hole and she started filling that by attacking the very benefit that helped keep pensioners warm. Does anyone really think that Labour will not be attacking the long term sick and disabled the same way!
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      · 1 months ago
      @Alex It's a different interpretation of what was said,  to scare readers into clicking on the article.  Alot of papers sensationalised what is said in that way.  Yes, Labour are considering changes to PIP, but vouchers seem dead in the water.
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    · 1 months ago
    Given that Labour seem determined to fleece the poorest to plug the deficit created by richest this feels more like a temporary reprieve than an outright win for human decency. I predict a hybrid scheme. They have openly stated they are the party for the working. Pensioners and disabled be damned. 
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    · 1 months ago
    I confess I'm not sure whether some people are here to discuss benefits or to try to score political points.  The Tories put forward the voucher scheme.   Labour have junked it.  That's a win.  That's all we know.  

    All this talk of Labour junking PIP entirely or means testing it is based on NOTHING, and is just scaring the crap out of people.  Surely that's not what this forum should be used for?  

    Labour also said a couple of weeks ago that the Tory proposals were met with very negative responses in the consultation.  It seems highly unlikely that they will admit that and then do worse.  Labour have also said that there's no announcements until the spring on disability benefits.  Considering it's taken twelve or thirteen years for us to be moved onto UC, I would suggest worrying about it if and when it happens!
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      · 1 months ago
      @darinfan I do appreciate what you have said, but do you truly believe it's better that we shove our heads in the sand and don't entertain any changes, and then have a dreadful shock if and when they are brought in?
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      · 1 months ago
      @darinfan 100% correct.. You say about 12 or 13 years to move people onto UC. It is only just starting.. As i posted earlier, there are still people on DLA never mind PIP or UC..
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      · 1 months ago
      @darinfan I agree with you on this forum using scare tactics. Its not what they should be doing when they are dealing with vulnerable people. I started to notice this negative sensationilism about 6 months after signing up. Suppositions should not be inferred or printed and this benefits forum would do better to print the facts and try and keep negative assumptions out of it until they become reality.  
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      · 1 months ago
      @Anon Exactly.  I have said people on this form have severe depression and anxiety.  There are some people on here that like to dismiss any form of positivity and just talk about "doom and gloom" viewpoints.  For people who do have severe mental health issues, can we please just think about them and not constantly put forward the worst case scenario.  This is very serious for some people
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      · 1 months ago
      @Dods This is not true.  Timms said last month that the proposals were met with constantly negative responses, now we know they are not even going to respond to the proposal, and that they are working on their OWN proposals. That seems pretty damned clear to me.  You don't admit something was met negatively...and then go ahead with it a year later.  PIP will change probably, it might even be replaced, but we don't know anything about that other than its not likely to be vouchers/catalogue. 
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    · 1 months ago
    Change will happen. Just not in the way the previous government were mooting. This government is correct in wanting to get people back to work. But…. those people need to be capable of work and properly supported. Many many disabled people, and people with long term physical or mental illness are excluded from work simply because ignorant employers do the minimum the law demands of them and no more. This means people are unable to fulfil roles and potentials and lose their jobs. And round it goes again. Government need to grip this with employers before forcing people into unsupportive employment because all the time disabled people are treated as a nuisance, or a box ticking exercise  nothing change. And thus the welfare bill never reduces.
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      · 1 months ago
      @darinfan thank you!  It is these kind of comments that we need on here.  Calming reassuring viewpoints.  I have severe mental health issues and could get really worked up but this has happened before with Cameron and Osborne, making the same kind of claims.  Let us deal with things when they happen and not post scare posts for people who are suffering enough mentally to read.
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      · 1 months ago
      @Ben Ben, with all due respect, nobody from the govt or dwp has said they are going to make someone like you work.  People are jumping to conclusions based on vague lines from Kendall, and it's neither sensible or healthy to let imaginations run away with us months before any announcement.  We know the WCA will change, but we don't know how yet - Labour have committed to changes, but not necessarily the same changes as the Tories came up with. But the WCA is a mess for everyone anyway and based on lifting pints of milk, pound coins, and empty cardboard boxes.  It was put together by...well, heaven knows who.  Let's just take a breath and worry about it IF it happens.
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      · 1 months ago
      @Tonygandy7@gmail.com They have said they plan to support those people who CAN work into work.  That is not the same as forcing those who can't work into employment.  People are just assuming that is going to happen.  
      If people are pushed into work when they clearly shouldn't be, then I'll be the first to complain (it affects me, too), but I am certainly not going to jump to conclusions based on a vague couple of lines from Liz Kendall months before any announcement.  
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      · 1 months ago
      @Daz Exactly, I've a multitude of quite serious health issues and know I'm not well enough to work, but doubt it'll stop them trying. I always had a working mindset too, had well over a dozen jobs in different sectors, never had ANY support from ANY employer, I was always let go when having health issues at work. I can only go out the house with my dog I am that ill, so I will fight for what I know I'm entitled to, plus I have a significant amount of paperwork to support my health issues and been probably a day or two away from being sectioned at times.
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      · 1 months ago
      @darinfan Yes you are right but this man has heart failure and no longer allowed to work, he faints and has sever vertigo and pain surely he is not an out of work kind of guy.




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    · 1 months ago
    Because of our disabilities, we are living in an assisted living bungalow, with hoists, grab rails etc. we use our P.I.P money for taxis to hospital appts, extra heating bills, and special foods etc. what good would vouchers or grants do for us?
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      · 1 months ago
      @Joy W I'm the same Joy, I use mine to pay for help with things I can't do & also to pay for the bathroom I had to get altered as I was no longer able to get in & out of a bath. 
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      · 1 months ago
      @Em Totally agree. I use my PIP to pay my bills, pay petrol in my motability vehicle and people who help do chores for me like shopping, gardening, cleaning; non of whom will accept vouchers!
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    · 1 months ago
    Timms at least has the respect to call it properly as social security instead of welfare.

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