Labour’s promise to current PIP claimants that they would not be affected by the 4-point rule may be almost worthless, lasting only a few months, as the government has announced they will be rushing through a new PIP assessment system “as quickly as possible” after Autumn 2026.  

The proposed PIP 4-point rule will take effect from November 2026, if the current bill goes through.

According to the Pathways to Work Green Paper (Annex A), the new single assessment for PIP was due to be implemented in 2028/29.

But the Timms Review of the PIP Assessment. Terms of Reference now states that “. . .  we expect it to conclude by Autumn 2026”.

And Liz Kendall told parliament today (see parliament tv around 15.56) that “The review will conclude by Autumn 2026 and we will then implement any changes arising from that as quickly as possible”. 

Depending on how extensive the changes are, this means that they could be in place in early 2027, only months after the 4-point rule has been introduced.  As the document states, new rules could take the form “of changes to primary legislation, secondary legislation, as well as a range of potential non-legislative actions.”  Some aspects of the points system, for example, could be changed very quickly using secondary legislation.

We have seen no evidence so far that current claimants will be exempt from changes brought in by the Timms review, exemption seems only to extend to some of the changes relating to Universal Credit and Personal Independence Payment Bill. 

The new single assessment created by Timms will also be the gateway to an award of the universal credit health element, so it’s very hard to see how current claimants could be assessed using the current test once the single assessment is introduced.

If this proves not to be the case we will issue an update.

The terms of reference say that the new PIP assessment will be “coproduced with disabled people, along with the organisations that represent them, experts, MPs and other stakeholders, so a wide range of views and voices are heard.”

But it goes on to add that “The review will ultimately report to the Secretary of State for Work and Pensions for final decisions.”  This raises the question of what degree of influence on the final outcome disabled people will have, after they have been “heard”.

The review will look at every aspect of the assessment, “including activities, descriptors and associated points – to consider whether these effectively capture the impact of long-term health conditions and disability in the modern world.”

It will also consider whether issues other than the assessment should be taken into account, including “evidence related to an individual’s personal circumstances and environment.”  It’s hard to know what this could mean.  It could, for example, be anything from whether you live alone to what sort of bathroom you have or how far the nearest bus stop is.

The review will also look at “What role the assessment could and should play in unlocking wider support to better achieve higher living standards and greater independence.”  Again, it’s hard to know what this means, but it could suggest the PIP assessment being used to give access to therapy or treatment.

The review of PIP is clearly going to be very wide ranging but it is also going to be completed at speed.  If the new PIP assessment includes the 4-point rule, or something equally draconian, current claimants may only have a few months exemption from it after November 2026.  The bringing forward of the implementation of the new PIP assessment seems to be another underhand trick from a department that deals in little else.

You can download an explanatory letter from Stephen Timms to all MPs which includes the proposed amendment exempting current claimants from the 4-point rule from this page.

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    · 7 hours ago
    The sound of silence for Liz Kendall was a big problem for Starmer beyond welfare reform

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-mps-rebellion-kendall-starmer-silence-b2779786.html
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    · 7 hours ago
    I think this, from the article linked below by @HL, is important:

    "Other MPs who had previously backed an amendment by Hillier said they would now back the bill at its second reading or abstain, but would vote against it after that if their questions still were not answered." (my italics).

    Whilst it is rare for a bill to be voted out at 3rd reading, these are rare times, with rare behaviour, rushing through all the stages on the same day next week, and the bill could be thrown out when it is there in black and white for everyone to see, pull apart, table amendments and, ultimately, vote against. Not all is lost if it's voted through tomorrow.
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    · 8 hours ago
    MPs voting to push people into poverty.
    This is actually INSANE.
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    · 8 hours ago
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jun/30/liz-kendall-labour-welfare-bill

    “It’s counterintuitive to imagine that some Labour MPs came into politics to make life harder for some disabled people, but Liz might just be that person”

    Brilliant from crace as usual
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    · 8 hours ago
    Some MP’s and committee chairs don’t think the concessions go far enough 
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    · 8 hours ago
    I love this guy, he makes me laugh every time, and I really need that this evening:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jun/30/liz-kendall-labour-welfare-bill
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      · 7 hours ago
      @Gingin Fingers in her ears while saying "I am listening, listening is the right thing to do!" I noticed the slogans she kept repeating like it was a mantra. Truth is Liz Kendall has always been against the disabled even before she became a member of this government and her view can be traced back for 15 years from the time she served under Harriet Harman
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    · 8 hours ago
    Whatever the outcome of tomorrow, we have all chosen to fight back and not be forced into submission. I’m proud of all of us for fighting. I’m sure we will have more fights in the future but we must rest and be proud of our self’s for how much we have achieved together. 
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    · 8 hours ago
    Are they still planning on only scrapping the work capability assessment LCWRA in 2028/29 or is there a chance those goalposts will be moved too?
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    · 9 hours ago
    Andrew Marr via LBC said that between 50-70 Labour MP's will rebel meaning Labour will win tomorrows vote. What an UTTER disgrace and I hope people remember this one, remember Labour. 
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      · 7 hours ago
      @Dave Dee Although I think it's likely they will win tomorrow's vote, if 70 Labour MPs vote against it wouldn't take all that many abstentions for the government to lose. 
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    · 9 hours ago

    "Other MPs who had previously backed an amendment by Hillier said they would now back the bill at its second reading, but would vote against it after that if their questions still were not answered."

    This raises the possibility that crunch time may not be tomorrow, but - assuming they win tomorrow's vote - next week, when the third reading is held (I'm assuming that happens if Hoyle rolls over for the government and certifies this as a money bill - if not, presumably third reading will be some way down the line). It seems almost inconceivable they could lose at third reading - that hasn't happened to any government in decades - but this is so shambolic I honestly would not be that surprised.
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      · 7 hours ago
      @tintack I was thinking along same lines @tintack, when I posted above, before reading your post. Sorry!
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    · 9 hours ago
    John crace of the guardian’s take on Liz Kendal today 
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    · 10 hours ago
    Mp people should be told this before they vote disgusting if it's true 
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    · 10 hours ago
    So existing pip claimants have been given false hope, how cruel, after months of distress. Seems like they will try every dirty trick in the book to get the cuts through, even mis selling the concessions to the rebel mps to get them on side. If these cuts go through the government will have blood on their hands & they don’t give a flying fig! Shame on them! This smacks of genocide.
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      · 9 hours ago
      @Kim Couldn't agree more.
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    · 10 hours ago
    new PIP assessment system..... What does that mean please ??? Does it mean they will change the whole pip form and points on it , remove questions and add different ones ???? 

     I'm sick and tired of living in this uncertainty, I don't know how much more of this I can take.. it's going to be worse than imagined.   I'm down to my last something, I don't know how to explain it but i feel like I'm going over the edge now and not coming back. 

    I absolutely hate these people , they're destroying whatever I have left in life :(
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      · 7 hours ago
      @T I feel like this too. I’ve had to limit looking at this page and the information in the news because it just looks like a xxxx show now from the hope maybe things might be a bit better . I think with the goal posts moved not only on pip but on uc contributions based esa etc. Its  got me completely confused. I can’t take anymore of it. It’s making me feel ill . There’s no way I’m putting myself at risk anymore working and I can’t be relied on thanks to them so  it’s no good anyway. I’ve absolutely had it  . 
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      · 8 hours ago
      @T I can totally empathise. I've dragged myself through 5 years of struggles and now there's this. I'd only just stopped having panic attacks about being made homeless again and then this. I'm sick of living in constant fear state. I never feared I'd be forced to work I'm so ill but now I know British governments leaders consider that acceptable. 
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      · 9 hours ago
      @T T - I feel exactly the same way. It is truly awful and torturous what they are doing. 
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      · 9 hours ago
      @T And me x
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    · 10 hours ago
    There was nothing said to suggest that the new form, if it ever appears, will not have the 4 point rule.  

    Nor did it suggest in any way whatsoever that our reassessments as current claimants would revert to the four point rule with the new form.  Or that it wouldn't.  

    It seems a little ahead of the game to worry about something that might never happen, and which isn't going to even be announced for at least 18 months, and probably longer than that.  If the review ends in autumn 2026, it then has to report back to Kendall and Co, and then a new form created, and then a bill etc.  And there i is one heck of a lot of "could," "maybe," " we don't know," and "it raises the question" in that article!



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    · 10 hours ago
    I was watching the live coverage of her on Sky News earlier - EVERY SINGLE QUESTION ASKED was sidestepped with a well rehearsed well repeated mantra of smoke and mirrors. 

    There is no reassurance here for any claimant. 

    I can only hope ministers see this and see sense and vote this thing down the toilet where it belongs.


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    · 10 hours ago
    Josh Fenton-Glynn
    (Calder Valley) (Lab)
    on a specific point, if someone currently receives PIP but their condition is getting worse and they ask for a reassessment of the level of their PIP, will they be assessed under the current system or under the new one?

    Liz Kendall
    They are an existing claimant and they will be assessed—let me be really clear about this—under the existing rules.
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      · 8 hours ago
      @John
      Darren Paffey
      (Southampton Itchen) (Lab)
      can she please confirm whether, if an existing claimant or someone on a legacy benefit is reassessed, the new measures or the existing ones will apply?

      Liz Kendall
      I want to be crystal clear: people who are currently on PIP and are on PIP by the time these changes come in—November 2026—will remain on that benefit under those old rules.


      Liz Kendall
      Existing claimants will remain on the current rules, even if and when they are reassessed. Changes will come in for new claimants from November 2026, but our review will look, as I have said many times, at the different activities and descriptors, and the points that they will get,
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      · 10 hours ago
      @John Sorry, that should have said the journalist contacted the dwp after I alerted him.  I didn't do that bit.
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      · 10 hours ago
      @John Kendall misspoke.  The amendment states the opposite.  I alerted the Guardian live journalist and reached out to the DWP who confirmed that this WASNT the case.  

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    · 10 hours ago
    EXCL: Key architect of the welfare rebellion Debbie Abrahams tells @romillyweeks the concessions still don't go far enough 'We implore the government to think again', she said Abrahams says she'll vote against the bill or abstain unless there are further changes
    Reported on ITVPolitics
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    · 10 hours ago
    I'm done for today. I'm all worried out. Just can't fill my head with any more.