Labour ministers have resorted to online scam techniques to try to force their PIP and UC cuts through the Commons on Tuesday. And there’s a strong chance that their dubious promise to exempt current claimants from the cuts is, in reality, only a two year reprieve.

But its not too late to for you to try to stop them, as one MP has confirmed.

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Ordinarily MPs would know what they were agreeing to when a bill is presented for its first vote. 

And if they do vote in favour, there is then a committee stage at which a group of MPs look at possible amendments, consult with experts - -such as disability groups in this case – before presenting amendments to be considered by the whole House. 

This process usually takes weeks or, for a bill that will affect millions of people like this one, even months.

There is then a final vote on the amended bill, at what is called the third reading.  But it’s incredibly rare for the government to lose at this stage – the last time it happened was 48 years ago

After the final vote, the bill goes to the Lords, to be carefully scrutinised again.

But in the case of Tuesday’s bill, MPs won’t actually know what they are voting for. 

Because ministers have promised there will be amendments which will exempt all current claimants, but they probably won’t even have been published by Tuesday.

MPs will just have to trust ministers who say that what they are actually voting for – the 4 point rule applying to all claimants – is not what will really happen.

Chaotic few hours

And then, a week after Tuesday’s vote, the entire months long committee stage will be shrunk into a few chaotic hours in front of the whole house, voting on amendments they have barely seen and with no chance to get advice from experts.

And, what is more, the government have applied to have the bill certified as a money bill.  If the Speaker agrees, then the Lords will have no power to change any of it.  Even if they do try, it will automatically be passed without change after one month.

Online scammers

Isn’t this exactly how online scammers work? 

Promise to save you from losing all your money as long as you hand over your account details immediately.  Quickly, quickly.  No time to talk to anyone, don’t hang up the phone, do it now or it will be too late. You’ll lose everything.

And yet, in reality even if the PIP cuts are put into law this month, they don’t actually take effect until November 2026. That’s sixteen months from now.

So, why can’t they be properly discussed and put into a separate piece of legislation next year?

Unless Labour have things to hide.

Labour’s dodgy promise

Labour’s promise to exempt all current claimants from the PIP and UC cuts may not be all it seems.

Kendall’s letter says that in relation to PIP, “The new eligibility requirements will be implemented from November 2026 for new claims only.”

But she says nothing about what happens in 2028, when disability minister Stephen Timms has finished rewriting the PIP eligibility criteria and the new rules are put into law. 

Labour says the new PIP rules will be coproduced with disability organisations.  But who honestly believes those groups will be given a veto on anything, especially with the government determined to cut costs?

So, if Timms decides that the four-point rule is a good one and should stay, then under the terms of Kendall’s letter, it will apply to current claimants from 2028.

Kendall also says “we will adjust the pathway of universal credit payment rates to make sure all existing recipients of the UC health element . . .  have their incomes fully protected in real terms.”

But she doesn’t say what will happen in 2028, when the work capability assessment is abolished and only claimants with an award of PIP daily living component are eligible for the UC health element. 

If current claimants are not exempt from this change as well, then 600,000 who don’t get PIP daily living will no longer have their income protected.  And if the PIP four point rule is also incorporated in the new PIP assessment from 2028, then hundreds of thousands more current claimants who don’t get four points, will lose their health element when they lose their PIP.

Contacting your MP will make a difference

Now, none of this may be what ministers intend.  But MPs voting on Tuesday won’t have a clue what they do intend, because the whole process has become a chaotic shambles – in spite of the fact it has the power to plunge hundreds of thousands of disabled people into poverty.

So, please consider contacting your MP and asking them to vote for a planned Labour amendment – which, ironically none of us has seen yet – which will give MPs more time to consider the cuts.  And if that fails, then vote against the bill in its entirety.

You won’t be wasting your time.  There are still rumoured to be 50 or 60 determined Labour rebels, with many more unsure what to do.

And, as one MP told the BBC yesterday,

"it shouldn't be underestimated the potential effect of a weekend of emails from constituents, constituency surgeries etc".

Let yours be one of them.

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    · 1 days ago
    Today, After 3.30pm: Liz Kendall, the work and pensions secretary, is expected to make a statement to MPs about the government concessions on the UC and Pip bill.
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      · 1 days ago
      @Boo Thanks, will listen if I can
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      · 1 days ago
      @robbie That was very powerful from her. 
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    · 1 days ago
    (Not sure where else I can ask this).,does anyone know where I can see the London protest online ? Don't have a TV or Facebook. I'm 95% bedbound otherwise I'd be there. Thanks in advance. 
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    · 1 days ago
    In this article we hear from the heroic Vicky Foxcroft. Also:

    In another development, a legal opinion commissioned by the union Equity and given by Jamie Burton KC of Doughty Street Chambers, concluded that “the aggressive measures set out in the government’s proposals will inevitably result in very serious breaches of the UK’s obligations under the UN convention on the rights of persons with disabilities and the international covenant on economic, social and cultural rights.”

    He added: “They are likely to be condemned by the treaty-monitoring bodies, who have become all too familiar with very similar reforms designed to cut the welfare bill and promote work, but which ultimately result in yet further and longstanding human rights violations for disabled people.”

    A DWP spokesperson said: “The secretary of state has carefully considered, and will continue to consider, all her legal obligations and is satisfied that these reforms are lawful.”


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jun/29/starmers-disability-benefit-concessions-are-not-enough-says-rebel-labour-whip
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      · 23 hours ago
      @john "We don't have time to bring in legislation protecting disabled people's rights, we're too busy bringing in legislation destroying disabled people's rights."
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      · 23 hours ago
      @Gingin Very interesting – I’ve included in my emails to Debbie Abrahams, Dame Meg Hillier and Vicky Foxcroft.
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      · 1 days ago
      @Gingin The UN has already found the UK to be in breach of articles 19, 27 and 28 of the United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities that the UK is a signatory to.

      Labour previously promised if elected they would enact the Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities into UK law. Which I think would have enabled people to take the UK government to court. This promise however did not appear in the Labour manifesto and eventually Labour admitted the promise had been dropped due to Labour if they won having too little time to do it. Being too busy doing more important things. 
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      · 22 hours ago
      @D Thanks. But if he was to be 'done', are the bills during his tenure thrown out the window too?
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    · 1 days ago
    Rather horrendous comments by Jon Yates on Sky Newspaper review this evening. He says "we are rewarding people for what they say in these [PIP] interviews to get the money." In other words, he is saying the disabled community is full of chancers and con-artists.

    It appears that Mr. Yates has no idea of the hoops we have to go through in order to get PIP. A 50 page form, a two-hour interview, and the DWP obtain letters from GPs, consultants, therapists, physios and other health professionals. Does he think we are all slipping them twenty quid when we see them so that they lie in a letter on our behalf? Getting PIP is not like lying to your Mum about feeling sick when you haven't revised for your French test at school and you want the day off.
    His insinuations are serious, and at this particular point in time, damaging. If Sky wants people to discuss the front pages, you would think they would get someone who actually knows a little about the subject matter.
     
    Yes, there are more people claiming PIP WITH mental health conditions, but it doesnt mean that's what they are claiming PIP FOR. The tables and graphs don't separate someone with depression and someone with depression AND a serious physical disability as well. Of course if you have a physical disability or illness you're going to get mental health issues if you're waiting years for treatment. Meanwhile, I have bipolar and severe arthritis, but I don't score a single point for bipolar. And yet, no doubt, my bipolar gets added to the stats.
     
    Half of the reason the disabled community has been scared shitless over the last three months is because the cuts have been designed by people who don't understand the system, is being voted on by people who don't understand the system, is being reported on by people who don't understand the system, and is being commentated on by people who don't understand the system.
    Mr. Yates clearly falls into the latter category. Ironically he has written a book about "why our societies are coming apart." The answer, most likely, is because people like him are spreading misinformation and stirring up division.  
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      · 1 days ago
      @SLB Absolutely, SLB. These comments are appalling. 
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      · 1 days ago
      @SLB Unfortunately, not having the faintest idea what you're talking about is no barrier to appearing on major broadcasters. Don't know anythng about the subject under discussion? Not a problem! You can spout ill-informed drivel to your heart's content, safe in the knowledge that the chances you'll be be challenged on it are minimal. Having a well-informed view based on things like *chortle* evidence......well, that's very much an optional extra.
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      · 1 days ago
      @SLB I'm as frustrated as you or anyone when I hear comments like his. I just wonder who these oscar-level geniuses are who manage to navigate the convoluted PIP application process so easily. Is it just a handful? Do they even exist? Is it just media propaganda? Genuinely baffled
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    · 1 days ago
    This government does make me laugh in a way like Who are governments working for us or some other planet these cruel reforms stating that when wca is abolished in 2028 you can receive the health element of uc if you are constantly not be able to do the descriptions at the moment it’s morjority of time. Wow i suppose if we can breath than we work . This labour government are so cruel against us 
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      · 1 days ago
      @lesley I sometimes wonder if they are intending us to work in the jobs that are unfilled after brexit. Like the care worker jobs or restaurant sector jobs. 
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      · 1 days ago
      @lesley Good point and since employers are having to pay more out there are those not taking on more people because of the cost.
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      · 1 days ago
      @Diceman24 What I want to know is, where are all these jobs that they are going to make everyone work in?
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    · 1 days ago
    I have emailed all my local MPs some labour MPs part of current and past APPGs asking for support. I know technically you are only supposed to email your actual MP but trying to draw as much attention to this. 

    I've even sent a sympathetic email to the MP who withdrew her support from the amendment and attached a copy of the Q & A MPs need to ask about the bill according to benefits and work. Voting for or against questions needed asked now.
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    · 1 days ago
    The terms of reference for Timms consultation on a new PIP assessment system are now to be published on Monday. To provide potential Labour rebels with assurance that disabled people's organisations will have a say.

    Only a few days ago Timms said he hoped to have decided the terms of reference by the Summer recess. So it looks like the decision s being rushed. 
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      · 1 days ago
      @John I would imagine this is so that MPs know what is being "conceded" before the vote on Tuesday.  Wes Streeting (soon to be starring in Starmer II: The Revenge) seemed to indicate this morning that the implementation of the 4-point rule would be included, but I always assumed the review/consultation would be on the new form that is being talked about, seemingly with no date attached to it.
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      · 1 days ago
      @D D, this is powerful. She talked about profound regret for trusting the party leadership in 2015. She said:

      On Tuesday, we are being asked to vote for the Universal Credit and Personal Independence Payment Bill in its original form because the concessions promised are not written into the Bill yet. We are being asked again to ‘trust’ that the Bill will change in committee
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      · 1 days ago
      @D
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      On Tuesday, we are being asked to vote for the Universal Credit and Personal Independence Payment Bill in its original form because the concessions promised are not written into the Bill yet. We are being asked again to ‘trust’ that the Bill will change in committee
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    · 1 days ago
    There are no concessions for existing claimants on LCWRA, other than dropping the proposed freeze on the health element uprating with inflation. Freezing or unfreezing the health element is not a real concern at all, as we're only talking about less than £5 a month.

    It's outrageously unjust that existing claimants on LCWRA will be assessed with the dreaded 4pt based scoring system of PIP after the WCA is scrapped, while the existing PIP claimants would continue to be assessed with the current criteria of PIP.

    These so-called concessions are nothing but lip service to fool MPs.

    It's noble on the part of MPs to raise the issue of the  unethical two-tier system that's about to made a law, but they're not really questioning the depth, details, and usefulness of the devious concessions.
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      · 1 days ago
      @SLB Surely there will be a massive upsurge in people applying for PIP then that will increase the already massive backlogs.
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      · 1 days ago
      @Scorpion To be honest, we don't know much about LCWRA at the moment, because of the changes to it (such as eligibility) are not covered within this bill.   That will come further down the line.   Which is ridiculous.  We shouldn't see this coming to the Commons in bits.  The whole system has to be dealt with at once, not in bite sized chunks.    However, it certainly seems sensible to try to apply for PIP NOW rather than later, so you get assessed under th current rules both now and going forward.
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    · 1 days ago
    Just a suggestion - spotted on another forum -

    Dear Sir Lindsay Hoyle, 

    I am writing to ask that the Universal Credit and Personal Independence Payment Bill is not certified as a Money Bill.

    This legislation goes beyond matters of public finance and includes significant changes to eligibility, assessment, and entitlement rules for disabled people. As such, it requires full and careful scrutiny. If the Bill is treated as a Money Bill, it would prevent the House of Lords from examining or amending it, which would limit the level of democratic oversight available.

    Given the importance of this legislation and its potential long-term impact on disabled people, I believe it should go through the full legislative process in both Houses of Parliament.

    Thank you for your consideration.
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      · 1 days ago
      @HL I did this couple days ago fingers crossed it makes a difference.
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    · 1 days ago
    According to the BBC this morning, MPs are expecting more details of concessions tomorrow.
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    · 1 days ago
    Will there be time to get through it all? How can there be a short debate on Tuesday on a set of nebulous proposals, unless they're published?

    Haven't bills been held up in the past by stringing things out? Filibustering?

    On 9th July there is so much to do before a final vote for anyone present and awake. There's a committee stage, the raison d'être of a committee is to string things out. Starmer must hate that, all the striving for consensus when he just wants to say it will be so.

    What about lunch, noone wants to miss that in the hoc by all accounts. School run, screen time, comfort breaks?

    Is the long term fate of the frail really to be decided in unseemly haste by a motley crew in a state of confusion, indigestion, intoxication and exhaustion?

    What a load of trossachs.

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    · 1 days ago
    The concessions mentioned exclude current claimants for the pip points rule and the health element of uc. But in reality are the dwp going to find ways to get more people off uc and pip by using the assessment in the curent form to squeeze more people off benefits.  Then will existing claimants be classed as new claimants and the new rules be applied to them. It feels like this maybe  the loop hole they use. 
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      · 21 hours ago
      @Paul Hi Paul,
      I posted up a link.....if it doesn't work it's easy to check this....using this site.


      Just go to the menu, select pip, select pip reviews.

      Here's a cut n paste:-

      "Fixed term, no review
      If your PIP award is due to end at 2 years or less, it won’t normally be reviewed. Instead, the DWP usually write to you roughly 3 months before the end date of your award, reminding you to make a new claim.

      You should make a new claim before your PIP award ends, as it can take a considerable time to decide on your claim. You can do this up to 6 months before your award ends"


      Short awards are usually reserved for claimant's whose conditions are likely to improve............but we're heading into uncertain times and as a claimant with medical evidence of a lifelong untreatable condition, I don't feel secure.


       the DWP could give me a short award on the basis that "my needs might increase" in the short term".     Of course, my welfare would be their priority. Not 

      But, it may not happen, I'm just aware that the option for the DWP is there. 
      I won't panic about it,  
      Any brand new claim will see me fight for more points, and not just in daily living !



       
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      · 1 days ago
      @doe That is excately what i said to my carer last night 
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      · 1 days ago
      @Bigbird "The shorter award automatically means
      You don't get an invite to renew towards the end, but a letter advising award is ending but you can reapply"

      Is that correct? Do you have a link verifying this?
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      · 1 days ago
      @doe Yes, they could quite easily, and quickly, within the current system. Just have to start awarding pip reviews doing quick paper based assessments and renewing same entitlement but for two years or less. The shorter award automatically means
      You don't get an invite to renew towards the end, but a letter advising award is ending but you can reapply.   So you'd be  a new claim.

      The wording so far is "existing claimant's on the current system won't be affected"  but they plan the new pip system for 2028.    




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    · 1 days ago
    Just one in five voters want disability benefits cut in fresh blow for Starmer
    The public agrees in principle that welfare spending should come down but wants disability benefits to be protected.  

    The survey for The i Paper by BMG Research suggests that a large number of people believe the overall benefits bill is too high, as ministers have argued.

    But asked about specific types of welfare spending, voters are more supportive – with disability benefits such as the personal independence payment (PIP) the most popular category other than pensions.

    Starmer has insisted it is essential to control spending on working-age benefits, which has ballooned since the Covid-19 pandemic. He will hold a vote this week on cuts to PIP and incapacity benefits for those unable to work because of a disability, having watered down the Government’s previous plans in order to limit the size of a rebellion by Labour MPs which had threatened to sink the policy.

    The Prime Minister told the Sunday Times that he took personal responsibility for the belated U-turn, which arose only after more than 100 backbenchers publicly opposed the bill, and suggested it was because he had been focussed on the recent G7 and Nato summits, as well as the brief bombing war between Israel and Iran.

    He said: “I’m putting this as context rather than excuse: I was heavily focused on what was happening with Nato and the Middle East all weekend. I turned my attention fully to it when I got back from Nato on Wednesday night. Obviously in the course of the early part of this week we were busy trying to make sure Nato was a success.”

    Starmer added: “Would I rather have been able to get to a constructive package with colleagues earlier? Yeah, I would.” But he insisted that “getting it right is more important than ploughing on with a package which doesn’t necessarily achieve the desired outcome”.

    Overall, 41 per cent of voters believe that benefits spending is too high, with only 19 per cent thinking it is too low.

    When questioned on the different categories of welfare, however, the public is much more supportive of spending. On disability benefits specifically, just 19 per cent say the Government is spending too much with 36 per cent wanting to see the budget increased and 28 per cent saying the current level is about right.

    Similarly on universal credit, sickness benefit, housing benefit and welfare aimed at families, there is net support for higher rather than lower spending, although by a smaller margin than for disability benefits. Only the state pension is more popular, with 48 per cent calling for more money and 10 per cent saying too much is now being spent.

    The public seems to be broadly split when asked about the details of the Government’s reforms, which would make it harder to claim PIP – a payment available to disabled people whether or not they are in work – and reduce incapacity benefits. On the two-child benefit cap, which many Labour MPs want to see scrapped later this year, 44 per cent of voters want to keep it while 31 per cent would prefer to remove it.

    Robert Struthers of BMG said: “The public’s views on welfare are complex, with important nuances. Ask about the benefits bill overall, and most say it’s too high. But dig into disability benefits or sickness payments, and the public is more divided. It sounds inconsistent, but it reflects reality: it’s easier to call for cuts in the abstract, harder when faced with who would lose out.

    “You could argue the climbdown from Starmer is a pragmatic attempt to find a middle ground on a tough issue where opinion is generally split. The problem? Voters don’t just judge policies, they also judge competence. And for many, the broader picture will simply be more Labour in chaos and yet another U-turn.”

    BMG Research interviewed a representative sample of 1,617 GB adults online between 24-25 June May 2025. BMG Research is a member of the British Polling Council and abides by its rules.



    https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/one-in-five-voters-disability-benefits-cut-starmer-3777040
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      · 1 days ago
      @clearwater When they started calling Thatcher a visionary I knew it was going to get bad.
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      · 1 days ago
      @clearwater Clearwater, me too, I take no credit for not voting for them as I only voted strategically in our area for Lib Dems to get shot of the Cons, but it comforts me somewhat that I don’t feel the bitter betrayal as harshly as those who (understandably) trusted Labour to be kinder than this. They have behaved like sociopaths
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      · 1 days ago
      @Gingin Starmer is a liar fullstop, to a certain extent smoothish and extremely economical with the truth and very very sly, his/labour's entire election strategy/campaign never let slip what their true intentions were. 
      YES the entire country was sick of the Conservative liars, but those voted labour were imo shafted as they never quite knew what they were voting for, apart from the "CHANGE" slogan. 

      Starmers BS of being distracted is total nonsense as this has been going on months before the recent foreign affairs. Starmer, Kendal, Reeves and others have been planning/plotting this for years. 

      A supremely sly Prime Minister.  Thank the stars i never voted him in. 
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      · 1 days ago
      @Gingin @Gingin Yes, so lame he should put in a pip application
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      · 1 days ago
      @Gingin His foreign affairs role are also questionable by humanitarian standards too!
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    · 1 days ago
    I've asked my MP to still vote against these immoral and indefensible cuts