Labour ministers have resorted to online scam techniques to try to force their PIP and UC cuts through the Commons on Tuesday. And there’s a strong chance that their dubious promise to exempt current claimants from the cuts is, in reality, only a two year reprieve.

But its not too late to for you to try to stop them, as one MP has confirmed.

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Ordinarily MPs would know what they were agreeing to when a bill is presented for its first vote. 

And if they do vote in favour, there is then a committee stage at which a group of MPs look at possible amendments, consult with experts - -such as disability groups in this case – before presenting amendments to be considered by the whole House. 

This process usually takes weeks or, for a bill that will affect millions of people like this one, even months.

There is then a final vote on the amended bill, at what is called the third reading.  But it’s incredibly rare for the government to lose at this stage – the last time it happened was 48 years ago

After the final vote, the bill goes to the Lords, to be carefully scrutinised again.

But in the case of Tuesday’s bill, MPs won’t actually know what they are voting for. 

Because ministers have promised there will be amendments which will exempt all current claimants, but they probably won’t even have been published by Tuesday.

MPs will just have to trust ministers who say that what they are actually voting for – the 4 point rule applying to all claimants – is not what will really happen.

Chaotic few hours

And then, a week after Tuesday’s vote, the entire months long committee stage will be shrunk into a few chaotic hours in front of the whole house, voting on amendments they have barely seen and with no chance to get advice from experts.

And, what is more, the government have applied to have the bill certified as a money bill.  If the Speaker agrees, then the Lords will have no power to change any of it.  Even if they do try, it will automatically be passed without change after one month.

Online scammers

Isn’t this exactly how online scammers work? 

Promise to save you from losing all your money as long as you hand over your account details immediately.  Quickly, quickly.  No time to talk to anyone, don’t hang up the phone, do it now or it will be too late. You’ll lose everything.

And yet, in reality even if the PIP cuts are put into law this month, they don’t actually take effect until November 2026. That’s sixteen months from now.

So, why can’t they be properly discussed and put into a separate piece of legislation next year?

Unless Labour have things to hide.

Labour’s dodgy promise

Labour’s promise to exempt all current claimants from the PIP and UC cuts may not be all it seems.

Kendall’s letter says that in relation to PIP, “The new eligibility requirements will be implemented from November 2026 for new claims only.”

But she says nothing about what happens in 2028, when disability minister Stephen Timms has finished rewriting the PIP eligibility criteria and the new rules are put into law. 

Labour says the new PIP rules will be coproduced with disability organisations.  But who honestly believes those groups will be given a veto on anything, especially with the government determined to cut costs?

So, if Timms decides that the four-point rule is a good one and should stay, then under the terms of Kendall’s letter, it will apply to current claimants from 2028.

Kendall also says “we will adjust the pathway of universal credit payment rates to make sure all existing recipients of the UC health element . . .  have their incomes fully protected in real terms.”

But she doesn’t say what will happen in 2028, when the work capability assessment is abolished and only claimants with an award of PIP daily living component are eligible for the UC health element. 

If current claimants are not exempt from this change as well, then 600,000 who don’t get PIP daily living will no longer have their income protected.  And if the PIP four point rule is also incorporated in the new PIP assessment from 2028, then hundreds of thousands more current claimants who don’t get four points, will lose their health element when they lose their PIP.

Contacting your MP will make a difference

Now, none of this may be what ministers intend.  But MPs voting on Tuesday won’t have a clue what they do intend, because the whole process has become a chaotic shambles – in spite of the fact it has the power to plunge hundreds of thousands of disabled people into poverty.

So, please consider contacting your MP and asking them to vote for a planned Labour amendment – which, ironically none of us has seen yet – which will give MPs more time to consider the cuts.  And if that fails, then vote against the bill in its entirety.

You won’t be wasting your time.  There are still rumoured to be 50 or 60 determined Labour rebels, with many more unsure what to do.

And, as one MP told the BBC yesterday,

"it shouldn't be underestimated the potential effect of a weekend of emails from constituents, constituency surgeries etc".

Let yours be one of them.

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    · 14 hours ago
    Well I’ve just had my review completed after 15 months. The rates are same at standard for both components. Although the claim has been extended to June 2035. But my heart is failing so might not last that long. But interestingly they reduced my DLA  score by 1point but I still qualified and mobility went down to 8 from 10 but still enough to get it. But any further score reductions and it would have gone. Awaiting a Marshall procedure which only has a 50/50 chance of surviving the operation let alone it working. Well I hope common sense prevails and this is voted out. Gary
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    · 16 hours ago
    The only bright side to this atrocious piece of legislation is that by the end of next year Tomms, Kendall and Reeves may not be in their jobs. A new broom may have other ideas around welfare reform but as an existing PIP claimant I'm under no illusion that this is the beginning of the end. My next assessment will be in May 2030 under a new - and likely - more right wing Government.
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    · 17 hours ago
    I watched some of the debate on TV and it is still far from clear in spite of repeated questions from MPs about what happens in November 2026.  I note the very precise language being used is "new claims" will be under the new rules NOT "NEW CLAIMANTS".  It looks to me as though when your review comes up after November 2026 even if you are an existing claimant new rules might apply.  After all no one gets a "for life" assessment any more.  Even the 10yr supposed light touch for pensioners still comes up for review.  I fear that even light touch may mean a different points system for your award.
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    · 18 hours ago
    Well, that all went down like a ton of bricks. I'm happy that Kendall isn't smiling and having a good time now but good lord, what an absolute mess they've made just because they don't want to drop this bill and they're so desperate to kick the disabled in the face in whatever way they can.

    These concessions are a farce and I'm hopeful the rebel MPs have seen them for what they are after the way Kendall presented herself just now. The bill needs to be voted down period. 

    Also, is it just me or did Kendall actually admit that PIP is not an out of work benefit? Took her a good three months of gaslighting anybody in her immediate vicinity but it seems she finally admitted it. On the eve of the vote to cut it to "boost employment", of course.

    God, I can't wait to see the back of this woman.
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    · 18 hours ago
    OK going by what Kendall said in the Commons existing claimants remain under the current PIP assessment system descriptors and points for all future reassessments forever.

    New claims made from Nov 2026 will be the current descriptors and points but with the new 4pt rule and when Timms new PIP assessment is implemented the new PIP system which may have different descriptors and points but will also have the 4pt rule.

    And if an existing claimant has a fluctuating condition and becomes ineligible for PIP and later put in a new claim for PIP they are subject to the new system unless Timms changes the rules.
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      · 14 hours ago
      @just They will be and are as I said they took 3 points off me this time even though I have got worse. I just got my this time. I won’t be challenging it because only just passing they could take it away altogether on appeal. So better accept what you have got and be thankful for the 10 year extension. We will have to watch this one. Gaz
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      · 14 hours ago
      @John Yes they don’t want to ditch that 4 points rule they are going to use that as the big stick to beat us with. And making the conditions harder to get a 4 points +
      Score isn’t helpful. 
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      · 17 hours ago
      @John "Timms new PIP assessment is implemented the new PIP system which may have different descriptors and points but will also have the 4pt rule."

      This is the bit that worries me as an existing claimant and for new claimants as we have no idea what will be in the new descriptors and I'm damn sure that they will be even more harder to gain 
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    · 18 hours ago
    If everyone who is as disgusted as I am with this government's handling of this matter (amongst others) could be persuaded to vote Green at the next election instead of Reform (who will undoubtedly take a blow torch to welfare support) then we might just have a chance of a government with some social morality - unlike the bunch of tories in red ties we have now.  Unless there is a serious change in the Party, I will not be voting Labour again despite being a lifelong Labour voter.  I cannot forgive them for what they are doing both nationally and internationally and for effectively handing the next election to Farage.
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      · 14 hours ago
      @AnneI Yes me too who to vote for next time. Two failed governments tories and Labour the choice isn’t great. Reform want to scrap benefits altogether a touch of George Osborne there. Lib Dem’s well at last election I think he thought it was a new series of “ it’s a knockout the old game show”. So greens well they can’t do any worse. Mind you the country might be bankrupt by then  we owe 15.6 trillion pounds already
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      · 15 hours ago
      @AnneI the scariest aspect of this whole scenario is, totally agreeing with you, that the next election is handed to Reform - thier Trump rhetoric is frightening and all minorities will be burned by this lot - hello Gilead.
      I have always voted labour and when they won this election I did breath a sigh of relief that the endless demonising by the Tories was over - if I was not witnessing this myself I would not believe it - I will never be voting Labour again! the demonising rhetoric of the disabled community is such as last used by the Nazis before they committed genocide  of over 250,000 disabled people.
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    · 18 hours ago
    Have you or any disabilities had consultations with the government and if it passes if deaths are verified because these cuts were made can they be taking to court.
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    · 19 hours ago
    Although I am relieved that. as a current recipient of PIP  and the state pension, I am "safe" for 2 years, I am very unhappy that future claimants will suffer serious loss,  including many who leave the benefit system to try to
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    · 21 hours ago
    Starmers u turn should be viewed with utter mistrust. He still seems to think it is his mission to reform welfare which is political speak for hammer the poorest least able into the ground.
    As to the rebel Mps most will be terrified of losing their seats and their £93,000 +wages. I doubt they actually give a damn about us. I hope enough people contacted them to make them realise our votes keep them in their grubby lucrative careers and without our votes they lose their salaries and expenses.
    We would be wrong to end resistance and be conned by the it will only affect new claimants.
    A rule change or 2 sneaked through could easily class every reassessment or nightmare F to F as a new claim. All talk of reform should be stopped it is already very difficult to access disability benefits.
    We will never be safe until the politicians realise we aren't easy to crush and ignore. That they need our votes.
    We need security and we need our Government to actually go after the Billions hoarded by the vastly wealthy.
    Every £ we spend helps fuel the economy every £ the wealthy hoard does nothing.
    What Starmer and his cronies have done is so bad that the Tories have been given a free hand to attack us even more ruthlessly when they return to power.
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      · 19 hours ago
      @Arthur I agree with you Arthur. There are an handful of MPs who are prepared to lose the wip on this one. And vote with conscience. But the majority are frightened of losing their seats in next years local elections. After reading the article it isn’t a wonder that the Government has rolled over. They still hold the cards for 2028 when Stephen Timms reform changes are applied. We could all be in the same boat again?
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      · 20 hours ago
      @D Hi D

      Thanks for sharing that.

      I had NOT heard, read or seen it. In its entirety.

      Damn Right we still FIGHT to get this bill thrown out.

      Thanks for your posts over the last 2 days. I felt ousted at first on the site when I SAID 'NO' these concessions are NOT good enough.

      I agree with absolutely everything that you have commented on and the links.


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    · 22 hours ago
    Just published in today’s guardian, “DWP explains why its update does not say what impact bill will have on number of disabled people in poverty
    Here are some more points the Department for Work and Pensions is making about its updated assessment of the impact its benefit cuts will have on poverty. (See 12.15pm and 12.31pm.)

    The poverty assessment does not take account of behavioural responses, the DWP says. It explains:
    The Department for Work and Pensions’ Policy Simulation Model (PSM) is used to model the impact of policies on individuals and poverty levels. The PSM is a static microsimulation model based on a snapshot of the UK population from the Family Resources Survey (FRS), currently for the financial years ending 2020, 2022 and 2023. It uses caseload forecasts alongside benefit rules to simulate results such as poverty levels for each year, currently up to and including FYE 2030. Because the PSM is a static model it does not capture the behavioural impacts of policies, such as changed work incentives due to reductions or increases in benefit rates, or a small number of additional benefit claims expected as a behavioural response to the reduction in household incomes due to the measures.
    This means these figures don’t take account of the fact that, when benefit payments change, people react – and how they react will also have an impact on poverty figures.

    But no one really knows what the behavioural impacts of these cuts will be. Ministers believe that the current system give people out of work an incentive to say they have a sickness or disability that stops them working (because those benefits are worth more than standard universal credit). The proposal will narrow this gap, by making the standard rate of UC more generous. Ministers hope this will incentivise people to find work.

    But there is an argument that because it will make standard UC a tiny bit more generous, it may reduce the incentive for standard UC claimants to find a job. And with Pip being removed from some people who qualify now who don’t have a four-point need on some criteria, the new rules could incentivise more people to claim on the grounds of a more severe disability.

    The DWP claims it has not been able to estimate the impact of the changes on the number of disabled people in poverty. It blames this on the way data is collected.
    Definitions of disability in the PSM differ from those used in the Households Below Average Income (HBAI) poverty statistics. It has therefore not been possible to estimate the impact of the package on the level of poverty amongst individuals living in families with a disabled person, as this requires an estimate to be made using the HBAI definition.
    It says the poverty figures it is publishing today do not take account of other factors affecting poverty.
    As the poverty impacts presented are independent of the underlying trends in poverty, they are not an estimate of the total change in poverty over time.”
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    · 22 hours ago
    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6862695708bf2f53761219ed/social-security-reform-revised-poverty-impacts.pdf

    If any Labour mp falls for this spin and twists on truths they deserve to lose their seats
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    · 22 hours ago
    Made me laugh what starmer said in the mirror this morning. He said he wishes he had listened to his labour Mp's earlier last week but he was concentrating on NATO and the middle east..... er  HELLO, they have been speaking up about the welfare cuts for months, as well as numerous charities, etc. Just shows his arrogance and how much the opinions of his own party and disability charities mean to him.
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    · 22 hours ago
    Its at times like this that been disabled brings home the reality that disabled people are second rate disposal people. I'm still shocked over the Covid attitude towards the disabled, "If your disabled & have Covid don't bother going to the hospital STAY AT HOME!"   Here we go again only this time it's about money! 
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    · 22 hours ago
    Take care everyone and good blessings to you all and all the staff at B&W too, thank you 
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    · 22 hours ago
    I have emailed my MP Maria Eagle again the weekend and on several other occassions since this all started  and my local counsillors. I had one copy n paste reply weeks ago, The Eagle's name is not on any list ive seen of those voting afainst.
    I have told her she wont be getting my or my families vores again.

     
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      · 19 hours ago
      @Andrea Her and her sister Angela are both confirmed Blairites. You'll have no joy there I'm afraid. A disgrace, the pair of them, especially when you consider the levels of entrenched poverty in their constituencies. 
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    · 22 hours ago
    After November 2026 will all current claimants be reviewed under the old or new 4 point rules?
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      · 14 hours ago
      @Leprechaun Well they are saying old claimants we’ll be old system and all new claimants the new 4 point rule. But if your review is in the next six months I think you might just scrap by with the old scoring system . After that don’t bank on it. It takes an age to get anything done these days so November 2026 is cut off but with delays and medical checks it’s taking 15+ months to process a review from filling out the form to a telephone interview , then face to face medical and assessment and then a final decision I have to say I was lucky this time but it’s his marking down that is disturbing if your getting worse how can it go down which equates to making it tougher. Gaz 
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      · 20 hours ago
      @Leprechaun That's all current PiP claimants.
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    · 22 hours ago
    Just an idea – would someone be up for posting this on X, or somewhere it will be seen by as many MPs as possible?

    Reported in today’s Guardian -

    A legal opinion commissioned by the union Equity and given by Jamie Burton KC of Doughty Street Chambers, concluded that “the aggressive measures set out in the government’s proposals will inevitably result in very serious breaches of the UK’s obligations under the UN convention on the rights of persons with disabilities and the international covenant on economic, social and cultural rights.”

    He added: “They are likely to be condemned by the treaty-monitoring bodies, who have become all too familiar with very similar reforms designed to cut the welfare bill and promote work, but which ultimately result in yet further and longstanding human rights violations for disabled people.”