The DWP has launched an entirely bogus consultation on changes to personal independence payment (PIP) and universal credit (UC) by refusing to consult on almost everything that matters most to claimants.

The Pathways to Work: Reforming Benefits and Support to Get Britain Working Green Paper sets out proposed changes to PIP, including preventing anyone who does not score at least one 4 point or more descriptor from being eligible for the daily living component.

It also proposes to freeze the LCWRA (health) element of UC and abolish the WCA.

Non-consultation

Yet the list of things that the DWP is refusing to consult on, meaning there are no questions about them in the online consultation, includes:

  • Scrapping the WCA
  • Creating a single assessment for PIP and the UC health element
  • Freezing the health element of UC until 2029/30
  • Only awarding PIP daily living if you get at least one descriptor scoring 4 or more points
  • Restarting WCA reassessments until the WCA is scrapped

(You can find a full list of the issues the DWP will and won’t be consulting on at Annex A of the Green Paper).

Leading questions

Instead of asking for feedback on these vital issues, the consultation asks questions that make the assumption that participants accept that people should lose their PIP:

2. What support do you think we could provide for those who will lose their Personal Independence Payment entitlement as a result of a new additional requirement to score at least 4 points on one daily living activity?

3. How could we improve the experience of the health and care system for people who are claiming Personal Independence Payment who would lose entitlement?

Missing information

Vital information that would allow people to have an informed opinion even on questions like those above has been deliberately withheld from the Green Paper.

For example, the DWP knows precisely, or could make a very accurate estimate of, how many current claimants would lose their award on review if their condition remains unchanged and the new system is introduced.

It also knows what condition those claimants have: how many have physical conditions like arthritis, mental health conditions like anxiety and depression, neurodevelopmental issues like ASD or ADHD.

The DWP knows, but it’s not telling us.

Yet how can you properly answer questions like the ones above if you don’t know who is most likely to be affected?   

Benefits and Work has made a Freedom of Information request for these figures, but we suspect they will not be forthcoming.

The information may be included in the impact assessment due to be published on 26th March.

Otherwise, perhaps readers could ask their MPs or a friendly member of the House of Lords to ask for them?

Judicial review

In January of this year, the High Court found that a Conservative consultation on changes to the work capability assessment (WCA) was unlawful, meaning that the changes could not go ahead.

The judge held that the DWP had: failed to adequately explain the proposals; had failed to explain that the main purpose was to save money rather than to get claimants into work; had failed to provide sufficient time for the consultation.

At the time, many of us thought that this meant that the DWP under Labour would have to carry out an honest consultation on changes to PIP and UC.

Instead, the lesson that the DWP has learnt is not that it should be honest, but instead that it should just not consult on anything meaningful at all.

According to the House of Commons Library:

“In some cases, public bodies have a legal duty to carry out a consultation. There will be legal duty to consult where:

  • there is legislation which requires a consultation
  • a government department or public body has promised to consult
  • there is an established practice of consultation in similar cases
  • not consulting would lead to obvious unfairness (in exceptional cases)”

We would argue that there is a very definite ”established practice of consultation” in relation to major changes to disability and incapacity benefits and that the current exercise is an attempt to pass off a fake consultation as the real thing.

It was the Public Law Project which won the case against the DWP over the WCA consultation.  We very much hope that they will be able launch a similar judicial review over this Green Paper consultation.

Alternative consultation

In the meantime, we hope that a major charity or umbrella body with good standing amongst the public and MPs, such as the Disability Benefits Consortium, will launch an alternative consultation.

It doesn’t need to be long or complicated.  It just needs to ask the questions that the DWP is scared to ask, such as:

Do you agree that only people who score at least 4 points on one daily living activity should get an award of the PIP daily living component?

Do you agree that the WCA should be abolished and replaced with a single assessment for both PIP and the UC health element?

Whatever the results, they could be circulated to MPs and members of the House of Lords who wish to be properly informed before they vote on these issues.

However, time is very short.  The official consultation does not end until 30 June.  But because the DWP have chosen not to consult on major changes, such as the new PIP scoring system, they can introduce new legislation as soon as they wish.  They have stated that they intend to bring forward legislation in this session of parliament, which ends on 21 July, so it could be as early as May that we see the new provisions. 

This means that, even though the change to PIP scoring will not be put into effect until November 2026, the law enabling it could be firmly in place very much sooner.

Silencing voices

The Green paper consultation is so dishonest that we feel unable to recommend that people take part in the way we normally would, though we also know that the DWP may argue that lack of response means that most people do not object to the changes.

In the Green paper, the DWP claim that “We are committed to putting the views and voices of disabled people and people with health conditions at the heart of everything we do.”

In fact, this bogus consultation is entirely about silencing the voices of disabled people and people with health conditions.

The reality is that the DWP under Labour is proving to be even more dishonest and devious than it was under the Tories.

The Green Paper consultation is online here or you can read all the questions in the consultation here.

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    · 17 hours ago
    i just got on LCWRA in December after a suicide attempt and severe mental health issues. i am now terrified i will lose all of my support and be forced into work. i am also 22 in june, so i could lose lcwra just for my age. i do want the additional support, and freedom to try to work without losing lcwra immediately. but to outright remove a safety net that saved my life, and many others, is terrifying. i am genuinely in pieces, haven’t slept all night, have had a panic attack, and my suicidal thoughts have increased since these statements came out. i am terribly scared
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      · 11 hours ago
      @pickering It's 18 months away so you will be 23 if that helps
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      · 12 hours ago
      @pickering I feel for you massively I have a son who is in the same state as you and has the same health conditions as you and he is ADHD. Being forced out of a safe place and v vulnerable is in humane. Nothing is going happen right now so take that a cold Comfort. Hang on in there kido and stay safe x
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      · 13 hours ago
      @pickering I am right here with you. This is the worst my mental health has been in years and I honestly feel as though this government is telling me to work, live in poverty or off myself. All those options will have the same result.
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      · 14 hours ago
      @pickering What would be the additional premium for pip in monetary terms that Liz Kendall mentioned. For those with a severe disability and also are the plans to not reassess for those on ongoing payments up to ten years be implemented immediately? 
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      · 15 hours ago
      @pickering Sorry to hear about this. If you haven't already, try claiming PIP. Forget the negativity and seek out help with form filling. That's if you don't mind sending off MH letters from your dr's. It's a terrible intrusion but what can we do.
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    · 17 hours ago
    Here come the heart palpitations again. I had just managed to make improvements on my mental health as well, I don't want that torn from me. Why are they not just letting us live?
    I *TRIED* working at the easiest part-time job I could possibly survive on for 10+ years, and even that left me with severe mental health issues, a panic disorder and shedding hair from stress and constant heart palpitations. I went in to so many further damaging meetings at work due to failing to meet targets where I tried asking for help, but they just kept calling me in telling me where I was failing under the guise of "support". It gave me intense trauma towards work, as well as workplace harassment which occurred under a previous manager due to my limitations. I have only just managed to get away from that and get LCWRA and I really had to fight for it with the help of my family and it felt like a miracle. I have ADHD, ASD, anxiety, panic disorder, sleep disorders etc. and have been through so much therapy to try and help- but none of it worked, and it became very clear that this is something hardwired in me that I cannot change to fit in to work without devastating health and mental health effects on me leaving me suicidal.
    Please- just let all of us live. That's all we're asking. Treat us like human beings.
    (Posting again because my previous message was cut short somehow and I wanted to provide full context. I hope it posts in full this time.)
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      · 15 hours ago
      @J
      It won't be taken away at the moment, so "bear that in mind" - this is some way off.
      One day at a time - things change.
      The system is in a mess and the proposals won't work.
      There is no one size fits all and that's the problem.
      Take heart J !
      You fought to get this far and tomorrow is another day.
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      · 16 hours ago
      @J Me too. My svt is going nuts. 
      I've had chest tightness and asthma attacks one after the other aswell, My consultant for the nafld said I'd to have no further stress too,as its adding to that condition ten fold. Hahahaha, some chance. 
      I too was trying to calm it down. But my anxiety panic attacks and digestive disorders are doing overtime. Bless you. 
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    · 17 hours ago
    I get enhanced care and low mobility as well as being in the ESA support group. I get 2 points on all daily living  descriptors bar one which is engaging with other people where i get 8 points. So in theory i should be ok. But heres the thing. I was reviewed for PIP in 2022 with no reassesment and my award was upheld with the same points including the 8 points for engaging with other people. I am under review again now  and sent the review back in november which they have recieved. The cynic in me thinks its a possibilty now that when i get my outcome my 8 points will be reduced and even if i still qualify for enhanced care it will be spread across the descriptors with lower than 4 points so as when the new rules come in i no longer qualify. 
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      · 11 hours ago
      @Jim I initially applied for PIP in 2017 and was awarded no mobility and standard care, I  ended up taking it to tribunal a year later and was awarded standard mobility and enhanced care and the panel awarded me 8 points on the engagement descriptor. When my PIP was reviewed in 2022 i filled in the review form and didnt have to have any reassesment in person or over the phone and about six months later i was awarded what i had initially( stand mobility enhanced care) as the decision maker agreed that nothing had changed and i also kept the same points including the 8 for engaging
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      · 13 hours ago
      @solly gurman Did you have a face to face? It's highly unlikely they can reduce that from eight to under four? That would mean vast improvement. If so appeal appeal appeal. 
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    · 17 hours ago
    Here come the heart palpitations again. I had just managed to make improvements on my mental health as well, I don't want that torn from me. Why are they not just letting us live? 
    I *TRIED* working at the easiest part-time job I could possibly survive on for 10+ years, and even that left me with severe mental health issues, a panic disorder and shedding hair from stress and constant heart palpitations. I went in to so many further damaging meetings at work due to failing to meet targets where I tried asking for help, but they just kept calling me in telling me where I was failing under the guise of "support". It gave me intense trauma towards work, as well as workplace harassment which occurred under a previous manager due to my limitations. 
    Please- just let all of us live. That's all we're asking. Treat us like human beings.
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    · 17 hours ago
    Both the speech and green paper leave many many questions unanswered?

    1
    Is no explanation as to time lines for any changes for folk currently on existing pip scheme of all groups including old people post pension age on LTA

    2

    New Point system requires one descriptor to score 4 or no qualify otherwise this applies to all on living allowance
    Many folk on current claims no doubt have scored 2/3 across many descriptors totalling anywhere between 8 and over 30 points even made up from 2/3 points in each
    Giving awards of minimum 8 for lower over 12 for higher awards some may be lucky and scored 4 in one or more
    (Worth noting 4 is a high bar)
    So in essence are they really saying anyone originally judged in the long horrific degrading assessment process they would have undertook in order to be awarded as lower or severe at the time of award no longer meet the requirements as viewed currently as severe or otherwise all of a sudden just because they scored very high but never achieved a 4 and are therefore no longer entitled as a result
    This policy if it gets through will affect most pip claimants new and existing on low or high living allowance resulting in 75 to 100 pound s reductions per payments per week to the bulk of claimants on pip with very very few I suspect spared of the cuts
    Gov said this shortfall will be met by support
    What support one may ask ?
    They are asking disabled claimants on line to participate in questions paper they set up
    In order to get ideas
    In no way in the speech or green paper did it mention this would be any kind of financial recompense for cuts taken as any replacement but indeed more like no real plan from the outset to plug any cuts taken

    3
    Gov said moral duty not so much money saving exercise etc etc
    Question..
    Tell me what’s moral about recognising someone is severe and entitled and judged to be so under current law only now by stroke of a miracle change this by moving the goal posts to then tell them they are now no longer entitled at all ?
    how on earth could one make such a blind conclusion and what’s moral about that in doing so ?

    We’re all their assessments that were undertaken prior then to this new such of thinking all wrong or bogus in the first place then as many folk sat in a face to face grilling I’ve no doubt also that many found all this degrading in order to appraised in the first place to this vital support they now want to strip away calling in the moral thing to do.
    I find nothing in the name of any moral argument given what I have said here in order from them to pretend this is the right thing to do I have no idea on what Labour MPs think as you here little opposition from most however a few have voiced up

    It’s a disgraceful carry on in my opinion and all Labour MPs should have the moral duty to stand up call this out to oppose and condemn this in order to stop this in its tracks at the earliest opportunity

    Apologies for reposting as last doesn’t appear as recent ?
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    · 17 hours ago
    It seems that everytime, it’s disabled people that are the easy target.

    We need someone like Kate and William, who know what disability can mean, to highlight the needs of disabled and how they are effected by these constant threats.
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    · 17 hours ago
    Hello all stressed friends, does anybody know if you fail the 4 points on daily living component but score 12 on mobility part of pip, would you still get the mobility part or lose everything. So concerned as we all are with all this but at least mobility would be better than nothing. Please anyone know the answer to this. Love to all x
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      · 14 hours ago
      @Empty123 As I have read it you still get to keep the mobility part which is the smaller amount of money 
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      · 14 hours ago
      @Empty123 Mobility it seems is unaffected 
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      · 14 hours ago
      @Empty123 Sorry i can't answer - I'm also confused about this! I've been reading websites for over an hour that outline the changes to benefits, but I still haven't found a clear explanation of whether we need those 4 daily living points to get PIP. I also fail daily living but get 12 on mobility, am I safe or not? 
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      · 14 hours ago
      @Empty123 Mobility element is not being affecting by these changes just the care element so you will still receive what you have been awarded for mobility with no changes. 
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      · 14 hours ago
      @Empty123 You will still get the mobility part as there is no current proposal to change this
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    · 18 hours ago
    I apologise for all my posts so far but I am scared witless right now. Peace of mind means everything to me and even the slightest of deviations from what I consider normal absolutely terrified me. So sorry again I can't bear the thought of losing my UC/LCWRA award coz I won't be able to pay the rent or afford new batteries for my mobility scooter either. God help me please.
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      · 13 hours ago
      @Neil Cook Legal challenges will be coming Im sure
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      · 15 hours ago
      @Neil Cook None of this will happen at the moment Neil - so nothing in your world has changed.
      No need to look too far into the future. When your mind paints pictures of doom, just acknowledge the vision and refocus. Keep doing this until it is habitual.
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    · 18 hours ago
    There will be many people who would qualify for the 4 points needed in a certain category who have not argued because they got the full points anyway, to argue would risk a reassessment that can just as easily lose you points and in arguing the score to better the same you gain absolutely nothing. So those now who do argue past point will be labeled as swinging it.
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      · 13 hours ago
      @Andywaringuk If they mentioned those things originally and have evidence that they did, I wouldn't worry about that. 
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      · 16 hours ago
      @Andywaringuk That's me. I have been very unwell for 40 years and getting older now is exacerbating things. I know I should have scored much higher on some pip descriptors but when I was awarded standard daily living I didn't want to rock the boat. Looks like I'm going to have to be more insistent next time I'm assessed.
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    · 18 hours ago
    How will these changes affect pensioners on PIP who are likely to encounter further problems due to age?
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    · 18 hours ago
    mean to add a few more points
    Join a union and put pressure on the unions if you are already a member
    Write to all the anti starmer labour mps
    seek to have the leadership challenged internally to throw starmer out and form a genuine labour government
    Purge the right inside the labour party
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    · 18 hours ago
    First lesson for Labour is to not vote for labour councillors who are pro starmer in the local elections and only vote for pro disability labour mps in any by elections!
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    · 18 hours ago
    It's clear that they have used a mathematical method to ensure that low rate PIP care element will be a thing of the past. They have a ideological view of what a disabled person is and it's clear it's very limited. 
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    · 18 hours ago
    The dwp cannot manage the workload at present for pip, all this will do is make it a lot worse, they now want people who would normally claim sickness benefit to claim pip instead just how many more millions will be applying in the coming years, people will adapt to the new rules, the whole point was to reduce the numbers claiming pip this policy will do the opposite, just wait and see. whoever thought this up are not very bright.
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      · 10 hours ago
      @slb and people putting in a PIP claim that otherwise wouldn't of done
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      · 14 hours ago
      @alan The workload will be even worse through people asking for a reassessment before the new rules.
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    · 19 hours ago
    Filled in the consulation - now I need to go lay down....disgusting behaviour by the government.
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      · 15 hours ago
      @Nomore I don't know where to start with filling my response to the consultation. I'm not very good at anything like this.
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    · 19 hours ago
    So their we have it labour started the wca and ended the wca they was no different all along it was them that brought in the fit notes and esa back in the old days I’m never voting them again it’s the Green Party for me next starting with the locals in may and after 2028 well I will probably try part time work rather than pip unless I get seriously ill got autism might not be enough anyway 
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    · 19 hours ago
    They just shifting the goalposts so that more and more people don't qualify its a disgrace they should be ashamed if they want to save money cut 2% of their wages that should cover it I hope they can sleep at night
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    · 19 hours ago
    Hi, just wondered if anyone could give some insight please. Under the new rules for daily living 4 in any one category - if you get less in just one category than the required 4 even tho you score 14 overall, yes I know that no longer counts, my question being, if you get 12 in mobility, would you still get the mobility part of pip or does the lack of 4 in daily living disqualify you from pip altogether I,e. So no mobility paid either even with maximum 12 points. Tia x sorry to be so confused xx
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      · 12 hours ago
      @john Thank you for making this as clear as you can. This is how I interpreted it but so many people saying you have to score a 4 in each question of the descriptors.  Thanks for confirming my initial thought and calming both myself and sons down.x
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      · 15 hours ago
      @Sarah Thank you Sarah, Matt and John for your kind replies, it puts my mind at ease a little. Sorry to be so confused. As they were saying the 4 score on one daily living activity is the gateway to qualify for pip I was unsure re the mobility component. Thank you all. Best wishes to all really poorly disabled people, I know only too well how it is.
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      · 17 hours ago
      @Empty123 No you will still get your mobility. That’s not being affected. 
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      · 18 hours ago
      @Empty123 My understanding is that mobility is to be left as it is. Therefore, if you get standard daily living and standard mobility, if you don't qualify for daily living, you still receive standard mobility.
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      · 18 hours ago
      @Empty123 You have misunderstood.. Ok, say there are, for the sake of argument, 10 categories. If you had 2 points in all of them, you would not get pip care. If you had 2 points in NINE of them, and 4 in the last, you WOULD get pip care and with 20 points. All you need is just ONE of your categories to score 4 or more to make the rest "valid" if you follow me. PIP mobility is entirely separate and is unchanged.
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    · 19 hours ago
    Though many of us understand that a rising Welfare Bill is an issue,  with some integrity from government (I'm thinking of principled Labour MPs like Diane Abbott), it could be dealt with more fairly & avoided so much stress & worry. Especially for those with MH issues. Not least, future claimants. We'll always have vulnerable people of all ages who'll need a safety net & added support. Some of these changes, if passed (& I suspect most may be), will in future leave that safety net riddled with gaping holes. - To me that always seemed highly likely. Presumably, these will be 

    Despite my own chronic health issues after 2 bouts of cancer & now widespread autoimmune disease, it's those who will now certainly fall through any safety net that I feel most sorry for. But we mustn't give in. Let's continue to give our support to any campaigns that challenge some of the Green Paper & fight for greater justice. When in 2020 I last asked my work coach would he employ someone with my health issues & regular infections, his reply, quote : "No disrespect, but I probably wouldn't." That said it all. - PS: I'm not someone who buys into RW propaganda. But many of us probably know at least a few unemployed people without any health issues, who live full lives. Those are the people who should be prioritised for help to find jobs (I don't  mean sanctioned, but given added help). - May all of you stay strong & never give up!
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      · 14 hours ago
      @Cats Well "right minded" seems very judgemental, suggesting those who "understand" the issue are very wrong minded, even though understanding it is a world apart from supporting it wholeheartedly. I don't disagree with your points. But how many here voted Labour or Tory? I didn't. But this Labour government had made its commitment to financially supporting Ukraine, not taxing the very wealthy, et al, quite clear before the GE. So we are where we are for at least the next 4 & 1/2 years. 
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      · 17 hours ago
      @Ivan Hopefully you are in a minority as any right minded disabled person will understand there is no 'issue with a rising welfare bill' 

      Complete opposite millions upon millions going unclaimed, people not living long enough past pension to make an impact on benefits funds.
      Plenty of funding for wars!  whilst on the subject of funding there's plenty for these contracted private companies doing the assessments , the workfare / job clubs, other companies and NGOs springing up for the help back in work courses signposting to treatment meditation talking shops therapy..
      ***None of those are in-house services!!** It's all tax payers monies of big lucrative contracts going to companies paying basic wages for staff, volunteer staff and re contracting out!!!!
      There is NO Issue with costs! The issue is a deliberate misuse of public funds going in the coffers of the private sector!!
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    · 19 hours ago
    Will everyone be reassessed after Nov 26 using the new points system or will they do it as peoples claim is due for review 

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