A written transcript and a video of yesterday’s Westminster Hall debate on PIP cuts are now available.

The debate was opened by Diane Abbot, who began by telling MPs:

“I am proud to have secured this debate today, and to be able to stand up for the disabled in the light of the catastrophic effects that the proposed cut to personal independence payments will have on them. This is the week after the council elections and the Runcorn and Helsby by-election proved disastrous for at least two major parties. The issue on everyone’s lips, and the cause of much of the disaffection, was welfare cuts, and specifically cuts to personal independence payments.”

Richard Burgon reminded MPs that:

“Harold Wilson once said:  ‘The Labour party is a moral crusade, or it is nothing.’

“We need to be clear, as millions of people outside this place are clear, that to try to balance the books on the backs of the poor and disabled is fundamentally immoral and un-Labour. The Prime Minister and the Government need not to plough ahead apace with this immoral, appalling plan, but instead to drop it now. Let us be clear: someone who needs assistance to cut up their own food and wash and dress themselves would currently get a personal independence payment, but they could lose it thanks to the Government’s proposals. That is completely appalling.”

Rachel Maskell spoke movingly, saying:

“After 14 years of battling, here we are, with ‘Pathways to Work’, taking away money, agency, dignity, independence and the essence of life itself. I fear, like many do, that people will take their lives, once again crushed by a system that fails to believe and points the finger rather than offering the hand, turning hope to despair. Poverty, dependency and harm—if not physical, most definitely psychological—await.

“Colleagues, we are better than this. Let us vow to stop such pernicious cuts and rewrite the story with the voices, experiences and hope of disabled people. Even if tech, task, time and place can be accommodated, work is not always the answer. We do not even have the diagnosis, understanding of the evidence, or answers from Charlie Mayfield’s report. I will vote against these cuts because I am Labour and because disabled people matter.”

Disability minister Stephen Timms defended the cuts and, once again, repeated the very dubious claim that people above state pension age “will not be affected at all”.

You can read the transcript of the debate here.

You can watch a video of the debate here

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    · 18 days ago
    They should now  re- name PIP - people in poverty ! Because that’s what is going to happen if they go ahead with these cuts ! Shocking ! 
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    · 18 days ago
    Annoyingly, my answer to Hazel McDonnell's post about a dwp survey was not printed in full here. Her concerns, and, I hope, my answer, are posted under the article 'Help us get the truth on pension age PIP'. I believe she is right to be suspicious of the survey, what do others think? 
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    · 18 days ago
    @Hazel Mcdonnell, I posted an answer to your post regarding an Area of Extra Costs survey sent to you by a dwp agency, which you posted under the article 'Help us get the truth on pension age PIP'.

    You're wise not to "trust the DWP to not to use this information against people"!

    My view is that the only way to respond to a survey of this kind is to commandeer it to protest against the proposed pip cuts, say pip is already too little and too difficult to claim and the review process is gruelling and often unnecessary. Point out that money could be saved on the reassessment process, and on making claimants go through mandatory reconsiderations and appeals, and on the various dwp assessment agencies and survey organisers. 

    Ignore their questions, say what you want and not what they can manipulate, and take the tenner! Or don't do it if you're afraid what they'll do with your data.





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    · 19 days ago
    This government doesn't care about helping disabled people. It's only interest is cutting money. 
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    · 20 days ago
    John pring has written an article in the disability service about a second wave of benefit cuts.
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      · 19 days ago
      @Bert Yeah.  This is supposedly coming - but it would be pretty suicidal for the government to go ahead with a second round.  
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    · 20 days ago
    This is off topic but related to proposals. This time it is about my county council Surrey CC who wish to discuss charging for care for people being care for and reducing the ceiling for means testing. Just thought I would give a heads up to the next assault on disabled people about to happen.
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    · 20 days ago
    Some prayerful thoughts with a little help from my AI friend.....

    A Prayer for Parliament

    In Westminster’s hallowed, echoing halls,
    A solemn eulogy gently falls.
    The Prime Minister, with voice so grave,
    Honors a Pope, the kind and brave.

    "He cared for the poor," the leader intones,
    With polished words and weighted tones.
    “A shepherd to the vulnerable, a friend to the meek,”
    He says, while slashing the help they seek.

    Sir Stephen Timms, in prayerful stance,
    Listed on the site where MPs dance,
    Between policy cuts and prayerful pleas,
    “Pray for us as we cut support at the knees.”

    For where two or three are gathered in His name,
    There shall be an assessment, a checklist, a claim.
    Forms as thick as the promises they breach,
    And deadlines as tight as the lives they leech.

    Dear lords, please hear this prayer,
    For honor, for justice, for righteous care.
    They speak of integrity, virtue, and grace,
    But their words ring hollow in this sacred place.

    They preach from pulpits of polished lies,
    While the vulnerable pay the tithes.
    The meek shall inherit the earth,
    If they survive the paperwork.

    And as they close their leather-bound tomes,
    We whisper, “I was hungry, and you tightened the purse,
    I was thirsty, and you made the drought worse.
    I was a stranger, and you barred the door,
    Left me in poverty when society surely expects more!”

    And from the backbenches, a hollow ‘Amen.’
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      · 18 days ago
      @lesley 👍❤️
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      · 19 days ago
      @CaroA Welll done!  It's great!
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      · 19 days ago
      @robbie Thank you Robbie so many of us are trying so hard to highlight how appalling this all is.  

      Integrity Is rarely in vogue in politics but the lack of it seems to be the height of fashion at the moment!  
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      · 19 days ago
      @Gingin Thank you Gingin this is much appreciated although it looks as though this type of thing is a bit upsetting for others from all the down thumbs.... Obviously not meant to upset but it is a form of expression about this devastating situation.
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    · 20 days ago
    I filled in the form yesterday that the Guardian have put up asking for comments from the disabled community.  But I thought I should go further.  So they now have an extremely long Whatsapp message.  My comments are given below if anyone want to skim-read.

    *

    Hi. You are asking for comments about the disability benefit proposals. I filled in your form yesterday, but I think I can probably add more in a message such as this.

    I'll go by my initials for now, and see where we go. So, for now, I'm "SB." I joked with a forum this week that if I stick my neck out about these "reforms" anymore I'll be carted off to the tower ready to be beheaded next week, but there is genuine fear among the disabled community right now that they might be "targeted" in some way if they make too much noise. I know we live in Britain and not North Korea, but it's easy to see why people have those fears. The DWP and its off-shoots (including assessors for Universal Credit and PIP) are not trusted, and for good reason - often because assessors are not truthful. One assessment that I had mentioned that I walked my dog and spent time in the garden. I lived in a third floor flat and had no dog. It's not a one-off incident. There are many people with similar ones.

    And then we have another issue of trust - like voting for a Labour government and getting one that doesn't appear to have any interest in traditional Labour values. Yes, many of us realise that there needs to be something done to the benefits bill - but doing "something" is not the same as leaving people destitute by cutting their income by two-thirds. If the current proposals go through, I will lose around £300 a month because of the changes to eligibility of Daily Living PIP at my next reassessment, which is in 2027. After losing that, I will then go on to lose another £400 a month through not being able to claim LCWRA any longer. That's because the WCA is being done away with, and replaced by Daily Living PIP - which almost no-one will be able to claim. That's a hit of £700 a month. But it goes on. At the moment those of us on LCWRA UC get a "work allowance" of up to £404 a month. That means we can earn that much before our benefits are cut. In my case, I do some writing as and when I'm up to it. I don't make anything close to £400 a month (I wish I did), but theoretically losing LCWRA UC will also mean I lose the work allowance, making me even more worse off.

    I think many of us are trying to tell ourselves that the proposals won't actually happen in the way they are meant to. There might be a delay, for example, which would mean many of us would get another PIP assessment in before they start, thus kicking all of this down the road for an extra three or four years. Or perhaps the proposals will be watered down. Somewhere, rational thinking will come into play for Starmer, Reeves, Kendall & co. And while this is rational thinking in its own way, the cuts have been on my mind for every waking hour since they were announced, and I'm sure I'm not alone in that. It has affected by mental health, that's for sure, and it is becoming all-consuming. After all £8400 a year is a lot of money to lose, and, after that, I'll probably be about as badly off as I was when I was a student. Except now I have to get taxis everywhere, and multiple other extra costs due to my health issues.

    I will be both broke and broken if and when these benefit cuts take place.

    I have psoriatic arthritis and bipolar. The government keeps telling us that there are too many people with mental health issues on PIP - and yet I have bipolar and don't score a single point in the assessment because of it. So how exactly are people somehow "taking the mickey?" I know that form all too well, and for the life of me I can't see how it can be scammed in that way. It's EXTREMELY hard to get PIP through mental health issues alone. Likewise, Starmer & co keep telling us that the changes will remove some of the younger recipients from the benefit. But we already have evidence that the cuts will mostly hit people with muscoskelatal (sp?) issues, arthritis, heart disease, lung diseases and cancer - and those issues are mostly associated with middle-aged and older. I'm not saying younger people don't have them, because they do, but I'm talking about the majority of people with those issues.

    It has been made pretty clear to me since my arthritis hit me (literally overnight) eleven years ago that I'm not likely to be able to work again in the traditional sense. When I do my writing, I manage about an hour a day, but even that isn't every day. And let's be clear: I have a PhD. My arthritis started two weeks before my graduation in 2014. I should have been having a life doing the things I love within academia for the last ten years. I managed a year of working part-time as an associate tutor before everything go much worse health-wise. I didn't turn my back on nine years of studying to be a lazy slob who doesn't fancy working. It's not what I wanted. It's not what ANY of us wanted.

    And now, I'm awake normally for about twelve hours a day. I'm in pain from the moment I get up until the time I go to bed. I am constantly fatigued due to a mix on my conditions, and my meds for both the arthritis and bipolar. If I go out for a couple of hours one day, there's no telling when I can do that again, as I need to stay at home and recover. Life is wholly unpredictable in that sense. What employer is going to take on someone who has no clue as to when and for how long they can go to work? And, even if there was one, the amount of hours I could work are not going to come close to making up for the £700 I'm going to lose every month.

    And the idea that there are many disabled people who want to work is, of course, true. Most of us WANT to work. It doesn't mean we CAN. And even the infrastructure in the UK isn't suited to disabled going to work. Many shops don't have a disabled toilet for customers, so I'm pretty sure that there isn't one out the back for workers. And the same is true for offices and other workplaces. And the transport system is not geared up to handle a shed-load of physically disabled people descending on it. Buses generally have two or three spaces to cater for pushchairs, wheelchairs and scooters COMBINED. Many trains do have wheelchair accessible toilets - but sit in the wrong carriage near one that is out of order (and they often are) and you're travelling half the train to get to one. The London underground is a mess when it comes to disability access. And, even when there are lifts, they often require you walking considerably further to get to them. And yes, I said "walking" as many of us who need lifts aren't in wheelchairs. It doesn't mean we can keep going a hundred metres or more out of our way to get to lifts or step-free access. The UK is simply not equipped for the disabled population.

    I have voted Labour all my life - except for at the local elections ten days ago. My membership card for Labour is in the bin and my subs cancelled. I was always fully aware that Starmer is in the centre of politics when I voted for him. But it's no good having a Labour party to the left if it can't get voted in to office. I knew there would be hard decisions. I knew that disabled people would probably take a hit of some kind. But this isn't a hit, it's a deathblow. It's two thirds of my income - and of the income of other people in the community. It doesn't even make sense. Why is daily Living PIP a passport to LCWRA UC, but not mobility PIP. Why is not being able to walk not seen as a severe enough condition to allow you to get the health element of UC? It is mindblowingly stupid. And all of this talk by Labour of these changes getting people into work is either stubborness, stupidity, or arrogance. Maybe all three.

    You don't get people into work by cutting their income and completely demoralising them. That's just going to make people even more sick. Cutting benefits isn't going to make people healthier. Illnesses don't generally react to an ultimatum of "get better or you'll have your income decimated." As for Labour, I saw today that 42 people have signed a letter complaining about the cuts. 42. What about the rest of the PLP. Who becomes a Labour politician to bankrupt the disabled - or to kill them off. These benefit cuts are not going to be an inconvenience, they are going to ruin (and probably end) lives.

    And yet the government is ploughing forward with the vote, it seems, in June - despite their consultation being a disaster. The event in Manchester had only ten people. And those of us with tickets to the equivalent virtual event on May 6th were not allowed access to it. There has been no apology, no explanation, no email from the DWP about this. Neither has there been an apology about the data breach last week where everyone due to join that meeting had their emails revealed to everyone else. If these consultation events carry on, it will mean that this isn't even a real consultation. It's a joke, and a front in order to push through proposals that I'm not even sure Kendall & co even understand.

    I'd better stop at this point, or I'll say too much and ACTUALLY get thrown into the Tower and beheaded. But I thank you for the opportunity to let off steam, and hopefully explain just how at least one of the disabled community feels about the benefit cuts. I'm happy to talk to you further if need be, but please contact me before publishing any of this and, if publication goes ahead, I'd like to be known just by initials. Thank you.  
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      · 19 days ago
      @SLB Suggestion… worth flagging your excellent article to the Whitehall editor at The Guardian- Rowena Mason rowena.mason@theguardian.com
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      · 19 days ago
      @SLB I've not heard anything from The Guardian as yet.  
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      · 20 days ago
      @SLB SLB, you join the ranks of the legendary. You’ve articulated many of the issues to perfection. I hope the Guardian picks this up and runs with it. 
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      · 20 days ago
      @SLB Thank you so much for saying what I am too scared to say myself.  So thankful to you!
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      · 20 days ago
      @SLB Thank you SO much for this!
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    · 20 days ago
    A Scope Forum member said:

    "I watched the entirety of the video from parliament and the conservative minister stated the green paper proposals were rushed and cruel and they would be voting against." 

    Sounds interesting, though surprisingly, as not long ago, Kemi Badenoch said to Keir Starmer in face in the parliament, "I'll help you get your proposals through"!


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      · 19 days ago
      @Scorpion You should be concentrating on the destruction Labour is actually causing, rather than attempting to gain brownie points by drawing the conversation back to the Tories.

      This one is on Labour. And only Labour. Any fanciful idea about ideological point scoring is insane and off topic.
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      · 20 days ago
      @Scorpion Yup, I was there and he definitely said that. He also said he didn’t think Timms would be pushing such proposals in opposition. And indeed Timms opposed similarly (but, remarkably less) cruel proposals in opposition. 
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    · 20 days ago
    I’ve been invited by Carers Uk to an MP drop in event. Good of them to give me the opportunity. I’m not going to hold back my opinions. 
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    · 20 days ago
    Well, I'm not at all religious & given that, it follows that I couldn't be a religious hypocrite....unlike some.
    I did a Google search on Disability Minister Sir Stephen Timms and chanced upon this:


    It's worth listening to!

    I then hit the "Get Involved" tab & selected "Pray" - how enlightening:

    We are asked to pray for the following (amongst other things):

    Pray for your MP: that they will make wise decisions for the good of their constituents and that they will be able to cope with the stresses and strains of public office. Why not write to your MP to let them know that you are praying for them?

    Pray for the work of the House of Commons and the House of Lords: that good and just decisions will be made and that the tone of debate is measured and constructive.

    Pray for integrity, truth and compassion throughout Government.

    That last one just cracked me up!

    By the way - that is a further tab, next to "Pray" called "Give".

    I did not press this!!!

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      · 20 days ago
      @Yorkie Bard Thank you for this - it helped inspired the poem above! 
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      · 20 days ago
      @Yorkie Bard Oh what? It sounds like something Dave Allen would have invented and built a sketch around!

      I think Timms is crazed by guilt, another one who can't genuinely support the direction of the party leadership. None of them can, you can see them cracking up, even Reeves. Words come out of their mouths but they're dead behind the eyes. It's just a script, they can't engage in debate or answer any questions They need to repent and find salvation!
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      · 20 days ago
      @Yorkie Bard Well said 
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      · 20 days ago
      @Yorkie Bard I have just sent this email to the man

      Sir Stephen Timms,

      I have just discovered that you are a member of Christians in Parliament group and have seen the group's website's recommendation that I should:
      Pray for your MP: that they will make wise decisions for the good of their constituents and that they will be able to cope with the stresses and strains of public office. Why not write to your MP to let them know that you are praying for them?
      So Sir Stephen, I am writing to tell you that I am praying for you.

      The website also suggests that I should:
      Pray for integrity, truth and compassion throughout Government.
      Sir Stephen, I am really. really praying for this.

      The only trouble is that I have, unlike you, no religion, so I can only offer up a sort of Humanitarian prayer.

      The Labour Government has truly lost it's way with regard to integrity, truth and compassion given that it has chosen to attack vulnerable disabled people who are currently in receipt of PIP.

      PIP is not an out of work benefit - I could seek work tomorrow, if my condition allowed, and still receive PIP. The proposed changes will not help people into work at all.

      Your Government is fast becoming adept at using smoke and mirrors - I despair!

      In the words of Dave Allen,

      "Goodnight and may your God go with you"
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    · 20 days ago
    Sorry, here"s the link

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m002bv3c

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      · 19 days ago
      @Frances I like how they play the clips about the "sickfluencers" and it's just people giving general advice on how to navigate the PIP process and the only source they seem to have that these people are encouraging anyone to do anything illegal is from rags that have an obvious anti-benefits bias like the Times and the Daily Mail. 

      I'm sorry but are we going to say the same thing about Citizens Advice because they sit people down and help them understand the PIP application better? Or this just because the people behind these rags would like nothing better than genuinely disabled people to flounder and struggle to navigate a system where the odds are stacked against them like they did before the internet was utilised in this manner? I'll pick the latter answer for one million pounds, Chris.

      While I'm glad the person going over it pointed out how sensationalist the reports regarding these individuals has been, there needs to be a more widespread rebuttal case by the media outlets sympathetic to our cause. Because it's disgraceful how people who just want to help - including former DWP employees - are being painted as benefit cheats helping other cheats game the system.
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      · 19 days ago
      @Frances Sadly, I do believe she was genuine. The Telegraph article that was recently posted here was filled with comments from people who also claim to be disabled and yet think those with ADHD or other mental disabilities should get their benefits cut. You can certainly spout and believe in rhetoric that does harm to disabled people as a disabled person. 

      Especially when you're influenced by political views and environmental factors. For example, I don't think disabled people who come from a privileged background and have always been provided for will ever understand how dire things can be when you have to depend on benefits to survive. Their disabilities does not take away the fact that they grew up in a rich family but too many of these sorts of people think it does and still think they're an authority on how the benefits system works and how to live with it. 
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      · 20 days ago
      @Gingin I found her odd - couldn't believe she was genuine, as if she was just there for 'balance'. The whole programme was weird, tbh, didn't quite hit the mark. I suppose if it makes people look into the subject further and see what's going on in our world it might be useful - perhaps that was its intention. I don't think anyone would find that woman's arguments persuasive.
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      · 20 days ago
      @Frances The disabled person arguing that work is the answer and that welfare is a trap is very naive in her belief that the government will remove barriers to work for disabled people. the government is disingenuous in their purported intentions - their only goal is to placate the public and clear the way to sweep the rug from under disabled people
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    · 20 days ago
    This on radio 4 has comments on the "trapped on benefits" refrain, and other benefit misconceptions.

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    · 20 days ago
    Liz Kendall has gone quiet, hasn't she? I don't think she's quite behind what she's been told to deliver. When she gave the big cuts speech she looked as if the pm and deputy behind her were holding her pet hostage.
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      · 20 days ago
      @rtbcpart 2 Doesn't Liz Kendall believe in the dignity of work.
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      · 20 days ago
      @rtbcpart 2 haha, thanks for the laugh today (-:
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    · 20 days ago
    I think the message is slowly getting out to the public. There is an article in the telegraph saying that the cuts will mostly affect the elderly with arthritis. Sorry it’s behind a paywall so I couldn’t post the link here.
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      · 20 days ago
      @Anon I read those comments too and, yep:  a fine example of how you can be disabled and still be ableist. It’s an incredibly rough thing to have to deal with as a disability activist representing this community. People can and will sell you out if they think they can avoid any blowback for being “more disabled”.

      It actually has a very Orwellian ring to it: “all disabled people are equal but some are more disabled and therefore more equal than other disabled people!”. 
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      · 20 days ago
      @Anon It’s bad enough when people who have never had to go through a PIP assessment have the mentality that claiming PIP for mental health conditions and learning disabilities is easy but to claim to have also gone through the system and still think this way!?

      Words can’t describe how angry that makes me feel. I concur. Those people with disabilities leaving such comments should be utterly ashamed of themselves. It is NOT the fault of other disabled people that these cuts are being made but it is very much to do with the discrimination they are happily buying into.
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      · 20 days ago
      @Anon Absolutely. And if they succeed in dividing us, it will be easy for them to beat us. 
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      · 20 days ago
      @Anniesmum *just as bad as the ableism. Sorry, typo!
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      · 20 days ago
      @Anniesmum The comments on that article make me sick. “Leave me and my arthritis alone but if anybody with ADHD sticks their nose out of the door: sanction them!”

      Probably stepping over some line by saying this but I don’t care. Disabled people who are willing to throw other disabled people under the bus to spare themselves are just as the ableism they complain about when it’s directed at them. Shame on anybody who buys into the mindset that their age or condition makes them “more worthy” of being treated with decency.
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    · 20 days ago
    Rachel Reeves today told broadcasters that even Labour backbenchers knew that the system inherited from the Tories was not working.

    'They know that the system needs reform. We do need to reform how the welfare system works if we're going to grow our economy,' she said.

    'But crucially, if we're going to lift people out of poverty and give more people the chance to fulfil their potential, the focus has got to be on supporting people into work.

    'Of course, if you can't work the welfare state must always be there for you, and with this Government it will be.

    'But there are many people that are trapped on benefits that are desperate to work, that have been cut out of opportunity for too long. That will change under this Government.'

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    · 20 days ago
    Via a scope comment - "On DPAC they posted from the Times a graph showing who’s voting for and against. According to this all Tory’s voting against and 5 reform for." 

    So I was wrong, Reform are really NOT and never will be friends of disabled people. 

    Rotten party and people think they're an alternative? To what? Farage will never stray away from his Thatcherism and people will be disappointed if or when they come into Government. The poor will get poorer, that trumps border controls.
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      · 19 days ago
      @Dave Dee I always knew that,now let's educate the thousands of disabled people all over tiktok leaving comments like," I voted for reform I'm sick if labour so I can keep my pip " they aren't listening nor understanding that reform are far far right and would decimate the welfare system even more,and then there's the 20 to 30 somethings that only hear 2 words and go vote reform, those words are " boat people " 
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      · 20 days ago
      @robbie Vote Tory for a protest vote. 

       
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      · 20 days ago
      @Dave Dee I’d like to say I’m shocked but I’d be lying through my teeth. I’m only sorry your faith was misplaced. 

      But that’s the world we live in now. You just have to say you’ll sort out the immigrants and you get votes. Who cares about any other policies. Trump voters learned this the hard way when it came to his policies on healthcare and prescription medication. It’s infuriating we’re headed the same way. 
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      · 20 days ago
      @Dave Dee My post should have read:

      @Dave Dee, if it's right about the tories voting against though, that's surprising good news isn't it? Can it be true?

      Bizarre that it seems to have passed by the Reform party voting for, just how they got their council election votes. "Ooh look, lots of people have voted against Labour, let's support what they want to do"

      I'm confused.

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      · 20 days ago
      @Dave Dee @Dave Dee, if it's right about the tories voting against though, that's surprising good news isn't it? Can it be true?

      Bizarre that it seems to have passed by the Reform party voting for, just how they got their council election votes.  "Ooh look, lots of people have v

      I'm confused.
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    · 20 days ago
    Reeves and Starmer are framing it as a moral crusade to make people more poverty stricken, it's bizarre and sinister.
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      · 20 days ago
      @Dave Dee It is very sinister. Don’t understand their mentality at all.
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    · 20 days ago
    "There are many people that are trapped on benefits that are desperate to work, that have been cut out of opportunity for too long."  Rachel Reeves.

    Then, why not invite such "many people" to come forward to benefit from your purported support and leave the rest of claimants in peace?

    Hypocrisy at its finest. 

    We're not being fooled, as we refuse to accept such a claim as genuine.
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      · 20 days ago
      @Helen Galloway I am so sorry this happened to you also. 35yrs of it is too much. I only lasted a year.

      I worry about suggesting disabled people (who are able to work) apply for jobs at DWP/Civil service, because they will very likely end up worse off like us.

      We need compassionate souls in there, but not if it costs them their health.
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      · 20 days ago
      @Anon Yes 35 years I worked for HMRC as it is now. They ruined any prospects of my being employed again. I can’t function on a daily basis with normal tasks because of how I was treated. I try as I might can’t stop the thoughts every day. The way they treat people is exactly like the government are treating disabled people widely now with the cuts contemptuously and dismissively. They are callous and uncaring think everyone is a workshy shirker even their own. The lower down the pile you are the worse you are viewed. They will come a cropper at some point in this green paper process. But before this they will have caused an awful lot of pain and distress and possibly death in some cases. The nasty amongst them hopefully will get some karma one day. I’ll never forget what they did to me and one day I will catch them out. 
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      · 20 days ago
      @Scorpion I was one of those people. Then I got employed by the DWP, who turned me into an unemployable disabled person.

      Can't make this sh*t up.
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      · 21 days ago
      @sara Hear, hear Sara. Feeling a bit weighed down by it all today but I’m going to run with your positivity 
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      · 21 days ago
      @Gingin More will come forward to oppose now that mps are going public,  the issue has higher profile and various impacts on different groups of claimants are coming to light, which is what we needed.
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