The Timms review appears to be paralysed by a set of impossible choices and remains unable to even decide how to appoint members to the panel, a letter to the Commons Work and Pensions Committee (WPC) has revealed.

Back on 13 September, we told readers that the WPC had written to Stephen Timms asking to be told, amongst other things:

  • What the arrangements were for the co-production of the Timms review?
  • Who would be involved in the Timms review and would they influence its terms of reference?
  • Would there be cuts to the overall PIP budget as a result of the review?

The committee asked for a response by 17 September and, at the time, we predicted that the answer would be late, dismissive and would contain almost no concrete information at all. 

Well, to be fair, Timm’s reply was polite rather than dismissive.

But it was two weeks late and, as predicted, extraordinarily lacking in details.

Instead, Timms explained that he had met with disability and welfare charities, think tanks and other experts over the summer to consider how the review could best be co-produced and that  “the Government is currently working through the feedback received”. 

Timms did confirm again, that the review would be “led by  a core group of around a dozen people, the majority of whom will be disabled.”

He did not say whether the panel would have any influence over its terms of reference, which have already been set out.  Instead, he merely said the panel would “decide how they will operate, including how to ensure wide and meaningful engagement beyond the steering group itself”.

But deciding how you will operate is not the same as deciding what issues you will look at and what your objectives will be.

Timms also refused to be drawn on whether the review would reduce PIP spending, saying only that there is no “fixed set of outcomes”.

In fact, as we have noted before, Timms appears to be in an impossible situation.  The abandoned PIP 4-point rule was supposed to have imposed massive cuts to PIP eligibility before the Timms review even began.  In which case, there would have been no need for the review to impose further major cuts.

And there was never any serious intention for the Timms review to be co-produced, until this concession also had to be made to get the government’s welfare changes through parliament.

But now the Timms review appears to be Labour’s last chance to try to impose cuts to PIP under the cover of modernisation.

However, if the review is genuinely co-produced by independently appointed disabled people, it’s more likely to propose extending eligibility to PIP rather than cutting it.

On the other hand, if the panel is clearly packed with government stooges who recommend cuts to PIP, Labour is likely to face another backbench rebellion.

So, the review is stalled before it even begins, whilst Timms desperately tries to find a way forward.

Even the option of simply dragging the review out until it is all but forgotten is problematic.

In the very near future the government will publish a White Paper.  This will include details of how and when the work capability assessment will be abolished. Eligibility for the universal credit health component will then be dependent upon getting the daily living component of PIP.

But this whole concept was based on the expectation that the PIP 4 point rule would drastically cut the numbers entitled to PIP daily living.

If PIP daily living is left as its, then this will have a knock-on effect on the numbers who will get UC health.

So, the government has put itself in what appears to be an impossible position and, here at Benefits and Work, we have no idea how they will get themselves out of it.

Nor we suspect, does anyone in government.  And so, the Timms review paralysis continues.

You can download a copy of the Timms letter to the WPC from this page.

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    · 7 days ago
    I think the Timms review will be a carbon copy of what Reform announced yesterday .
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    · 7 days ago
    Dr Clenton Farquharson and Sharon Brennan have been appointed co-chairs of the Timms Review

    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/disabled-people-to-shape-timms-review-into-personal-independence-payment
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    · 13 days ago
    Of cos the timms review will have cuts in it . This is why it was created. 
    But labour are still the best option for disabled, reform doesn't believe disabled exist,Tories said before last election that disabled would get vouchers instead from them .
    Pip is not just about money,but allows some disabled to live rather than exist,
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      · 11 days ago
      @Karl I struggle everyday with my anxiety and depression plus my other health issues, one being physical disability, some days are good but most days i struggle to get out of bed, i know i have to, as i have pets that depend on me to feed them and they are the reason i’m still here.
      I have ptsd that gives me daymares aswell as nightmares.
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    · 15 days ago
    He's a disgrace in my opinion. Should have been sacked when he walked around a collapsed disabled person who attended his meeting. 
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    · 15 days ago
    Sorry about my last comment just having a rant it’s so frustrating we seem to be treading the same old ground. Until they parliament have an answer that saves them money at our expense again 
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    · 15 days ago
    It will be another crave up. The disabled will lose out again. They are all out of touch . Parliament is a recreation of Disney . They don’t live in the real world. Timms is about useful as a chocolate teapot. They need somebody that is actually disabled. And preferably somebody who until very recently was living on  benefits 
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      · 11 days ago
      @Gazmo66 Paddy ashdown was a wheelchair user and as a disabled person he knew the difficulty we deal with everyday 
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    · 15 days ago
    I have just concluded my PIP review last week after submitting the form shortly after my Husband passed away last year back in June 2024 and it took them 13.5 months to decide that after all the years I was on it I was not eligible. I looked at the decision and I realised it was not right as they said I could walk unaided without a stick, which is true but for the problems I have a stick would not help this issue. I asked for a re-consideration of which I was quoted another 15 weeks and my PIP was stopped for 3 months but have now received the back-pay as they realised that the evidence I sent in about my arthritis had not even been looked at, and I have now re-achieved PIP until July 2028.
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    · 15 days ago
    Well, could have told them this bavk in 2012. PIP was never fit for purpose. A total mess, administratively, and assessment wise. It absolutely failed claimants at every step. Yet, mp's never addressed growing concerns, merely ignored it. The blame is there, not with claimants. And still the mess continues.  I have no sympathy for any of them.

    Ths genies is out of the bottle and they cannot stuff it back. There is no common sense, no understanding of such a wide issue, and all thry do is stick various plasters on it, and hope.

    Of course because its such a mountain,  they simply have no clue kn how to climb it. 

    And DWP should have taken issue with it, far earlier.

    My own struggles with it have been horrendous. And also for my partner, as his legal appointee. 

    The failures lie exactly with govt. And suddenly they haven't got a clue, and the expertise, ro u pick it.

    DWP hide behind it, and no one, ftom govt,  calls it out. Its a scandal,  yet another one overseen by various govts.
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      · 9 days ago
      @Benefits shambles Hey Benefits Shambles; I'm so sorry to learn of the nightmare that is PIP! I think that the failures lie with the DWP & the Government. The DWP's lack of transparency, lack of honest reporting, lack of empathy when dealing with claimants has caused so much upset and stress for sick & disabled people. There have been several issues over the years where I have had to do battle with the DWP; when first claiming I was made to feel that I was faking it, that they were doing me a favour processing my claim. The Advisor in question would purposefully ask me the same question 4 different ways, trying to trip me up. In their eyes, when I started the claim, I was a scrounger, not worth their time etc.

      They will not admit their mistakes & failures. Or apologise for the untold impact their incorrect decisions have on vulnerable Claimants. The law states that you are presumed innocent until found guilty, but the DWP automatically label you guilty and it's your job to prove they've made a mistake and you're innocent!

      I'm not holding my breath for the Timms review to be favourable to people on PIP. The disabled people on the panel have been forced to sign N.D.A's and whilst they will be paid for their time, they will face UC deductions, if applicable. I suspect that the disabled people on the panel will not be the average disabled person who often has multiple health issues having to rely on PIP and UC to keep their heads above water, rather it will be middle/upper class  people, who still get PIP, despite them not needing the money!
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    · 19 days ago
    anyone else think MPs wages should be capped at the NMW? 
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      · 14 days ago
      @rookie Here Here
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      · 15 days ago
      @rookie Well the NMW is bloody joke anyway can anyone live on it. I very much doubt MP’s don’t live in the real world , like Mickey Mouse it’s all fantasy. 
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      · 15 days ago
      @Bronc Isn't the NMW a decent salary then? If not, why should anyone be expected to settle for it?
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      · 17 days ago
      @HBS MPs have got to earn a decent salary.
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    · 19 days ago
    When I voted Labour I voted for Labour policies, not cutting from the disabled.
    Normally playing middle ground in politics works for getting votes, but right now it’s attracting nobody.  
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    · 19 days ago
    Thanks for the update which is no surprise considering the incompetence of this government of red tories.
    Any further cuts to disability benefits will help ensure the annihilation of this government at the next election. 
    I tried to use the link at the end of the article and couldn't find the letter to the work and pensions committee. Can anyone help with this? Many thanks 
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    · 19 days ago
    It's sounds too me what I'm reading that they're are ramping all the face to face assessments up they did 4 thousand in August and that is in numerous papers 
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    · 20 days ago
    I expect they will enact the Centre for Social Justice suggested PIP/UC reform. Removing PIP and UC health eligibility from anyone on standard rate PIP due to mental health issues who does not suffer from a severe mental illness (one with psychosis). And for those on enhanced rate PIP for mental health issues who do not suffer from a severe mental illness (one with psychosis) remove eligibility for UC health and reduce their PIP to the equivalent of standard rate. I also expect they will target ADHD.

    That would be in line with the media scapegoating and never ending dismissive rhetoric from the PM, Chancellor, Health minister, and DWP ministers, and opposition shadow cabinet, and Reform, and even the LibDems, about people with less severe mental health issues. Taking the Mickey, playing the system, Tiktok sick influencers telling them what to say, that there cannot really be that may people unable to work due to mental health, that mental health conditions are being overdiagnosed and over medicalised. People getting benefits for the normal ups and downs of life, that work is not stressful it is part of normal life, that work is good for mental health, that PIP was never intended to be for people with mental health conditions, that PIP is intended for the additional costs of disability and do those with mental health conditions really have additional costs, and so on.

    The tagetting of the group has been deliberate and persistent. The narrative has been set, the lies repeated by politicians and the media as facts. I cannot see them doing a 180 degree turn and not target them. 
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      · 18 days ago
      @John You've hit the nail on the head.......your analysis and suspicions are spot on. Only the 'Green Party' and the new 'Your Party' are the only political parties promising not to cut benefits for disabled people. Whereas the Tories and Reform are trying to out do each other in who can slash and decimate disability benefits the most. 
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    · 20 days ago
    Another rearrangement of the deckchairs on the Titanic springs to mind. It’s good to see that Timms is possibly realising just how complex this issue is. Whilst is it of course good for disabled people to be involved in the process, in reality, only the most functional and able will be able to do so. Charities are essential in the process. There are so many reasons for a person to be disabled, both mentally and physically and the challenge for Government is in how to measure and quantify that. The same condition does not affect different people in the same way. Add in to that other conditions, all of which affect sufferers in varying ways and it becomes a very complex situation. I do agree that change needs to happen. But it needs to be done with fairness and dignity at the heart of it and not because the country needs to save money. In addition to this, boosting mental health services and physical health services to ensure people get treated quickly, may enable many to recover some of all of their abilities and thus avoid needing to claim and thus keeping the budget for the more seriously affected. I can’t see Government being patient enough to wait for a proper and fair Timms Review because to do this properly will take longer than the remaining Parliament.
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    · 20 days ago
    I wish they'd leave welfare alone, we have enough to deal with just getting by from day to day as it is. I'm hoping that at least things wont really kick in until 2029/30 when potentially a.new government could likely be sworn in. God help us if it's reform, the Tories are bad enough but.......
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    · 20 days ago
    Thers some news about cuts to mobility scheme coming soon I lost the link was budget news
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    · 20 days ago
    Rachel Reeves is saying Welfare has got to be tackled by the end of the Parliament.
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      · 19 days ago
      @Charger 7 They will only protect certain sections of the disabled community depending on disability.
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      · 19 days ago
      @Denby Try not to worry too much Neil yes they are ramping up support for disabled to Go back to work but its voluntary and they did say they would protect the most vulnerable they still have a duty of care Neil 
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      · 19 days ago
      @Charger 7 Thank god my transport is a somewhat beat up mobility scooter that is an absolute godsend to me. This is me non human best friend and literally so.
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      · 19 days ago
      @Neil Cook I think they gonna tax people with motorbility cars especially the high end cars like bmw and mercedes and only give people cars with physical disabilities We can only speculate what Will happen on November 26
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      · 20 days ago
      @Denby Wasn't she referring primarily to the motability side of the pip benefit concerning that.? I hope that's as far as she goes with it but I doubt it......gulp....( stop shaking)
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    · 20 days ago
    There pay should be cut to 1k a week, no heating allowance of 3.5k, and all other allowances cut aswell.

    As that is what they want of us.
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      · 19 days ago
      @GS Dont forget the subsidised canteen, if your on uc  / pip we should be getting subsidised food too.
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      · 19 days ago
      @GS £1k a week? Wish they did want that for us!
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    · 20 days ago
    Meanwhile, this is also going on...

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    · 20 days ago
    All I would say is that there is increased speculation that Reeves (who ultimately is in charge of the Timms review) will announce at the Budget both tax increases AND cuts, primarily welfare. The three options I have seen mentioned are: the pension triple lock, disability/sickness benefits, or SEND provision, none of which are going to be popular.  The Timms review may very well be abandoned anyway and further cuts (eg, freezing of benefits) may be contained in a money bill.  Until November 26th we don't really have a clue what will happen to PIP under this Government but may have a better idea thereafter.
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      · 18 days ago
      @Matt there is a serious case to modify the triple lock to make sure it doesn't act like a never ending multiplyer though. at the moment it is a non means tested automatic uprate that goes to every pensioner regardless of income. if it is to be sustainible, it needs to be ither, trimmed back to a double lock, a fixed amount, 2.5% or inflation, which ever is higher, or means tested. working age beneifits are uprated by zero to inflation whichever the government want. the welfare tower is not toppling because of disabled people or working age beneifits as a mesure of gdp. 
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      · 20 days ago
      @Matt
      "The Timms review may very well be abandoned anyway and further cuts (eg, freezing of benefits) may be contained in a money bill."

      I don't know if the Timms review will be officially abandoned, but I can certainly see them runnng into insurmountable difficulties when Labour MPs realise that conflating PIP with out of work sickness benefits would plunge a hell of a lot of people into poverty. It also means that once the WCA is gone there will be no incapacity for work test anywhere in the system, so if someone is unable to work there will be no way for them to prove it. The PIP test can't be used for that purpose because PIP isn't an incapacity benefit, it's a disability benefit. Once the consequences of conflating PIP with UC Health become clear to Labour MPs - not least through being swamped with terrified constituents - there will almost certainly be another major rebellion, especially if Labour has suffered a thumping at the May 2026 elections by then.