Two personal independence payment (PIP) daily living activities are responsible for the majority of 4 point or higher scores, according to figures released by the DWP.

If Labour’s proposals to limit the PIP daily living component to claimants who score 4 points or more for at least one activity become law, over a million current claimants who do not meet the rule will be looking for opportunities to legitimately meet the criteria.

However, according to data in the Pathways to Work:  Evidence pack: Chapter 2 reforming the structure, viable opportunities may be limited to a few activities for most claimants, as most activities have very few claimants who score highly

38% of claimants score 4 points or higher for activity 1, preparing food (36% score 4 points and 2% score 8 points).

32% score 4 points or higher for activity 9,  engaging with other people face-to-face (31% score 4 points and 1% score 8 points)

The next highest is activity 7, communicating verbally, where 14% of claimants score 4 points or higher.

In order of 4 point score, the daily living activities are:

1 Preparing food  38%

9  Engaging with other people  32%

7  Communicating verbally  14%

10  Budgeting  10%

2  Taking nutrition  10%

5  Managing toilet needs  7%

6  Dressing and undressing  7%

4  Washing and bathing  6%

8 Reading and understanding  6%

3  managing therapy  1%

It appears that problems with activities such as managing toilet needs, dressing and undressing and washing and bathing are not often accepted by decision makers as meeting the 4 point threshold.

So, for many claimants, showing that you need supervision or assistance to either prepare or cook a simple meal may be the best route, if it applies to you.

Following that, especially for those who live with mental health issues, needing social support to be able to engage with other people may be a possible route, though the law around this is complex, so giving relevant evidence is more challenging.

It is hard to see, based on these limited options for higher scores, how the Office for Budget Responsibility’s prediction that only 10% of claimants will lose their daily living award as a result of Labour’s plans will be fulfilled. 

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    · 8 hours ago
    This 4 point rule is the most DAMNING part of these proposals. Then there is the 'knock on' effect that SLB has eloquently pointed out to UC as for most it is the PIP award that dictates the soon to be historic irESA and equivalent UC elements.

    Most do NOT ever score the full amount required in any one activity/descriptor. They mark you down. Which then subsequently amounts in appeal after appeal.

    This IS going to cause death NO matter what the outcome and indeed our 'health professionals' do NOT have the time for it to provide 100% accurate reports on the impact to our lives on a daily basis. Indeed they would NOT even KNOW. Long gone are the days of the family GP who KNOWS their patients as they should. Other healthcare professionals are probably for the cuts we appear to have become the burden on society. In every way and as such it is ABUSE after secondary ABUSE that some of us are encountering. Just for pointing out the HARM to our 'healthcare' professionals.

    GOD help me with what I have been subjected to in the past 4 weeks! Just for highlighting the HARM inaccurate reports can cause. To a disabled claimant physical, mental and long term permanent ill-health. I WILL NOT BE BACKING DOWN at this point. However, it has caused me HUGE psychological HARM. 

    I genuinely do FEEL that the only people we can trust are those who are going through it. 
    IF these PROPOSALS go ahead I fear that a considerable amount of people will NOT survive the HARM and DEPRIVATION.

    ALL we can do is utilize the letter SLB has eloquently compiled and just KEEP ADDING YOUR NAME to every petition!

    Also anonymously share your stories as to any HARM thus far that this has caused you. For having the 'BALLS' to point out to people who allegedly are supposed to have your health welfare best interests at heart. To include psychological ABUSE.




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    · 1 days ago
    They dont read or care what we say as there  to busy stuffing there faces with wholesome nutritious food in the H O P.

    Subsidised by the same collected taxes.


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    · 1 days ago
    As stated earlier, on Monday (and probably into Tuesday) I will tag/mention every Labour MP on X in a post that attempts to clearly outline the way disability benefits work, and how and why we are going to lose far more than the media and government are saying.  If one MP actually reads it and learns something from it, then that's a win, as they might then tell a colleague.  The message (in draft form) is as follows.  I really wish it could be considerably shorter, but I think that's impossible given the complexity of the system!

    Dear Labour MP. It has been reported that 100 Labour MPs have signed a letter about their concerns regarding the disability benefit cuts, in particular the cut in amount for new claimants to LCWRA (health element) of Universal Credit. This worries me, because this part of the cuts is, in many ways, one of the least damaging.

    The benefit system for the disabled and long-term ill is ridiculously complicated, and I ask you to spend just three minutes of your time reading this post, which explains why the eligibility changes to PIP are far more worrying than the cut in amount paid through LCWRA UC. If you are going to be voting for or against changes that could devastate the lives of an estimated million-plus people, I’d like to think three minutes of your time is a fair exchange.

    So, why am I saying that the cut in amount to the health element of UC is one of the least worrying changes that have been proposed? Well, put simply, because virtually no-one will be eligible to claim it after 2028 anyway if the proposals go through.

    I’ll start with Personal Independence Payment (PIP). The changes to eligibility for PIP will mean that an estimated 87% of people who currently claim the lower rate of the Daily Living Element will no longer be able to claim it from their first reassessment after November 2026. This is a cut to our income of approximately £300 a month.

    This means that people who can’t cook a meal from scratch, can’t wash certain parts of their body, can’t use the toilet without assistance, and can’t cut up the food on their plate will most likely be shut out of PIP. And any illness or disability that effects us in that way most likely means there are many other issues of a similar nature which affect our daily routine – they just aren’t on the form.

    However, what comes next is the real killer (literally). Many people who claim PIP also claim the health element of Universal Credit. But under the new proposals, the Work Capability Assessment to decide whether or not we qualify for that element of UC is being scrapped in 2028. Instead, people will need to have the Daily Living Element of PIP in order to claim it – but, because of the changes to eligibility most people will no longer be able to claim that element of PIP, and therefore won’t be able to claim the health element of UC.

    And perhaps the most bizarre thing is that the mobility element of PIP won’t act as a passport to UC in the same way. So, even if we can only walk one metre, we still won’t be classed as disabled enough to claim the LCRWA/health element of UC.

    So, after losing PIP of £300 a month, we will also lose £400+ a month through our inability to claim the health element of UC. That’s £700+ a month we have lost. The change to the amount of health element of UC is going to be unimportant for most people because they won’t be able to claim it anyway.

    And we’re talking of 1.3 MILLION people.

    What’s more, various members of the government keep repeating the lie that these changes will get disabled people into work. THIS IS NOT TRUE. PIP is NOT an out-of-work benefit. It is money to compensate us for the extra expenditure that our disabilities cost us. If we lose PIP, we lose our independence. If we lose our independence we CAN’T work at all. Many use their PIP to ALLOW them to work.

    The change to PIP is not only shutting people out of that benefit, but also out of the health element of UC. It’s a double blow. One blow we might be able to deal with, but the second will, quite literally, be a killer.

    That’s approximately £8400 a year many of us are losing, or, to put it another way, it’s 28 times the amount that pensioners are losing because of the changes to Winter Fuel Allowance.

    We fully understand how ridiculously complicated the disability benefits system is (and I haven’t even mentioned carer’s allowance that some people will also lose), but it’s ESSENTIAL that you know the basics of it as outlined above before you vote.

    Every Labour MP on X will be tagged/mentioned in a post containing the above explainer. It has been a long process putting that list of close to 400 X handles together, but if just one of you has read the above and now understands the system better, and why the disabled community is so frightened, then it has, of course, been worth it. If nothing else, please don’t get taken in by the lies that this will get people back into work. That will not happen. The only effect the cuts will have is the destruction of peoples lives due to a condition or illness that they have no control over.

    Thank you for your time. 

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      · 9 hours ago
      @SLB It's very good,but uou did gorget yo link the carers allowance losses if pip dl is removed, it adds up to almost 12k a year in losses,I've added my future losses up already  were done! literally!
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      · 11 hours ago
      @SLB Thank you brilliant work so appreciated and beautifully written! Maybe we could copy this to our MPs to by email.  I have sent so many emails to mine now though that they are probably ending up in junk mail!
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      · 1 days ago
      @Gingin Thanks.  I'm going to have to post it 8 times myself on Monday/Tuesday, as there are 394 X accounts for it to go to (just finished collating them) , and you can only tag 50 in each post.  I'm sure some will repost it anyway, but I think I'd let it do whatever comes naturally this week - MPs go home for Whitsun break on Thursday, so the ten days after that is pretty much dead time all around.   Once the MPs come back, then I think it's probably the time to repost.  
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      · 1 days ago
      @Mick I will probably add a link to a previous blog post at the bottom, which is more detailed.  Although, to be honest, I'm not sure our MPs are up to the job of digesting details!
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      · 1 days ago
      @SLB Very well done SLB!
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    · 1 days ago
    Labour MPs are realising that they can no longer take usual Labour voters, like me, for granted. They're getting scared of the voters rather than party whips, as many of them have slim majorities and think they have no chance of winning their seat again if they disappoint their voters. Therefore, they think they have nothing to lose if they defy party whips going forward, as their seats are at stake.

    During the last GE, I voted the Greens just for the sake of not voting Keir Starmer's Labour, as I saw the writings on the wall.


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      · 1 days ago
      @Old Mother That's right. Labour didn't win the last GE but the Tories lost it, as people voted Labour because they got sick and tired of feeling sick and tired of the successive Tory governments and were not necessarily attracted to Keir Starmer's Labour.
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      · 1 days ago
      @Scorpion Labour only got in because people had enough of the tories.  So their support won’t be strong.  Days are gone of having a loyal base.  
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      · 10 hours ago
      @The Dogmother I'm the same as Gingin, I try to sign them all but they all come back that I've already done it.
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      · 1 days ago
      @The Dogmother The Dogmother: Yes, absolutely keep them coming wherever you see them. We’ve got to keep going at it. 
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      · 1 days ago
      @The Dogmother Done
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      · 1 days ago
      @Gingin Wasn't sure who'd seen it and who hadn't. Thanks @Gingin.

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      · 1 days ago
      @The Dogmother I signed but had already done so. I’m finding this is happening almost every time now, but it’s worth doing anyway as it only takes a few seconds of my time and I don’t want to leave any petition unsigned. 
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    · 1 days ago
    What's scaring me is them moving on towards making changes to the points even further, so for example by removing prompting as a 2 point score, which might be the only way people with 4 points can make up to 8 points for an award. I don't imagine they'll leave it as it is and that's terrifiying. I am in the 1% of people who gets 8 points for engagement but I am acutely aware that although I know that is the right score for me, I have only been awarded it once in 3 reviews. Previously I was only given 2 points across the board which I knew was wrong but I am unable to appeal because it involves too much engagement with other people which I'm not able to do (hence 8 points). We all know that the assessments are often bogus. My MH is collapsing currently and the only thing that's changed for me is this threat. I wouldn't be surprised if we've lost people already. They just keep doubling down and we know they know they're killing us, but they say they won't stop.
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      · 1 days ago
      @Yorkie Bard Wish I could, but I’m working and it’s too far to travel and to pay to travel anyway. I do hope lots are able to attend 
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    · 1 days ago
    Anyone to clarity on PIP for those over Pension age ?
    If the four point activity score goes to plan!!
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      · 1 days ago
      @Claire Well I heard one of the Conservative MPs at Diane Abbot’s debate say he would vote against-think he also described the cuts as cruel (although he said reform is needed) and then this Helen Whatley quote,, and as she’s the Shadow DWP Sec that’s certainly significant, but I don’t know how they’re being encouraged to vote as a whole..
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      · 1 days ago
      @Gingin Does this mean the Conservatives will vote against? Certainly sounds like it!The vote will never get through then,Tories pretending they would be sympathetic!
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      · 1 days ago
      @Gingin Bet she agrees with some of the cuts though, hopefully the Tories vote against just to piss off labour
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      · 1 days ago
      @Frances THIS from the CONSERVATIVE shadow DWP secretary Helen Whately: 

      “Labour’s plans dodge the difficult decisions on welfare, leave more people out of work than they put in and will hit some of the nation’s poorest people.

      “The sickness benefits bill is spiralling out of control and these rushed reforms will make things worse, not better.

      “These plans are cruel, careless and clumsy. And it seems that even some of the people closest to Reeves agree with us, not her.”
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    · 1 days ago
    Just seen on bbc news app under politics section that there’s been a massive rise since 2019 of disabled people  becoming homeless and living on streets perhaps all these unforgivable cuts which labour wanna rush through will definitely be paused or just maybe be scrapped or even watered down quite a lot let’s all keep hoping 
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      · 1 days ago
      @James
      Yup James,
      I am one of them! Terrified!
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      · 1 days ago
      @Diceman24 If these changes come in there will also be a massive rise of pensioners with disabilities 
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    · 1 days ago
    The only satisfaction we may get if we survive there term is starmer reeves kendle  and the rest who vote it through is they will never be voted for as mp's again.

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      · 1 hours ago
      @Anon "it's just like brexit, people who didn't understand what they were voting for."

      You're right. Not only did they not know what they were voting for, but also that they were becoming the hardest hit by its impacts, as low-income individuals and families voted Brexit in majority just to end up poorer and worse off financially.

      By the same token, those who're excited about Reform are predominantly low-income individuals and families, and Reform hasn't got any answer to lifting them from their poverty. Instead, Reform would only make them poorer and worse off.

      In reality, most of those who are fancying Reform are just attracted to the divisive, racist, xenophobic, and Islamophobic tune that Reform is playing.
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      · 7 hours ago
      @Scorpion Without doubt Reform Party is worse by any definition. But Keir Starmer wants to capitalise on this fact and condition people that his Labour is still preferable over Reform. And people are feeling betrayed and hopeless, have given up on Labour, and want to send a message to Keir Starmer that if he does not conform with his mantra of changing the country for the better, they'll vote anyone but Labour and can't be frightened with Reform.
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      · 8 hours ago
      @Scorpion I agree,that's exactly what I meant, they're disillusioned by labour and conservative and will vote reform without doing their homework, without reading their policies on disability and out of work benefits , if you pop over to tiktok and just read some of the comments going around on that platform you will realise it's going to be a huge problem and just how mixed up some people are snd how they haven't got a clue about what reform stand for
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      · 1 days ago
      @Anon Those who voted Reform in last local elections or are thinking of voting it in the next GE are not necessarily attracted to Reform, as it's obvious to anyone in their right mind that opportunist Machiavellian Farage and his far-right club have nothing to offer but blabbering on about immigration and immigrants and fueling division, racism, and xenophobia.

      Voting Reform for them is to express their anger towards Labour, punish it, and get their revenge in a democratically manner, as they feel betrayed, regardless of the consequences of their acts. 

      As far as I'm concerned, I would even vote the devil in person but Keir Starmer's Labour, even if I'll have to go to hell. I won't say, "fool me twice, shame on me", as he failed to fool me last year  - I voted the Greens.
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      · 1 days ago
      @Anon Agreed The disabled who will support Reform in the belief that nothing will be done to them are simply not only blind but still being led by yet another pied piper. They are too busy hating immigrants being scapegoated to think that these people will leave them alone when clearly they are stating very clearly the opposite. This is the politics of divisiveness and the words of Pastor Martin Niemöller ring true once again

      First they came for the Communists
      And I did not speak out
      Because I was not a Communist

      Then they came for the Socialists
      And I did not speak out
      Because I was not a Socialist

      Then they came for the trade unionists
      And I did not speak out
      Because I was not a trade unionist

      Then they came for the Jews
      And I did not speak out
      Because I was not a Jew

      Then they came for me
      And there was no one left
      To speak out for me


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    · 1 days ago
    Theyve already spaffed the 10's billions they will save spent.

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      · 1 days ago
      @A @A They are way too accomplished at that, and twisting the truth to try to make us like like liars. Sure everything is our fault according to them. What they pretend they'll save off our backs is a drop in the ocean anyway. Because it won't work. 
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    · 1 days ago
    Just seen on news about welfare reform government know they will lose the vote they need to push reform through. News says over 150 mps will vote against the reform unless the government pause reforms  and  have consultations on reform green paper and do it the right way with dignity and fairness to all. Maybe at last the government will listen and do the reforms in a proper dignified way and listen to the disable people and charities perhaps labour know they won’t win the next GE if they keep attacking the poorest and the sick like they try to do. So let’s all stick together and keep emailing our local mps thank you for taking your time to read my post 
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      · 8 hours ago
      @Laura It's good news for pensioners if they do backtrack but it would be done as an offering to appease the public but the " sacrificial lambs,"us, the disabled ,will still be in the firing line and then people will walk away saying " well you can't win em all" I can actually see this happening as it will cost th treasury a lot less money to reinstate wfp than u turn on benefit cuts from uc esa pip and carers, pitting one part of society off against the other
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      · 1 days ago
      @Diceman24 And how pathetic that the only was this gov hopes to win votes is by performative cruelty. 

      And cuts to disabled because reeves has no growth - not much of a plan. 
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      · 1 days ago
      @Diceman24 Here's hoping, read that Labour are possibly going to backtrack on the Winter fuel allowance or make it so more can qualify after means testing. Looks like the disastrous local election results are causing a bit of panic and opening Labours eyes. Nobody with any decency would vote for a party that screws the vulnerable over.
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      · 1 days ago
      @rookie Sorry, please disregard my last response. I responded to the wrong comment by accident. lol

      But a lot of good news today, we like to see it!
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      · 1 days ago
      @rookie Here's hoping this actually turns up something and isn't just a repeat of them just getting rid of the idea of freezing PIP. I'm not saying that wasn't a good thing, don't get me wrong, but they got their way in that situation much too easily when all they did was get rid of what could argued to be the least harsh proposal they had.

      As it stands, the whole of the Green Paper needs to be open for consultation at the very least and this will mean having to delay the vote for such a consultation to take place. 

      Anything else is just going to be pure derailment in order for Starmer to get his own way.

      Also, it's about time a major news outlet actually mentioned that PIP is not linked to work. Perhaps I've misread but I haven't seen it mentioned much of anywhere in the mainstream media. But then again, 
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      · 1 days ago
      @Swiftynobeer This is very positive! I know Labour will try to weasel out of making any meaningful changes. But this is good all the same. And FINALLY it’s actually stated in this article that PIP has nothing to do with work! ITV have done well. They also did a news item before about DPAC protesters at that ‘consultation’ event and interviewed Amnesty. 

      The PIP not being connected to work bit in today’s article:

      Most politicians I speak to accept the need for welfare reform and to better incentivise work, but are upset about the specific proposals to make it harder to access Personal Independence Payments, which are designed to help with the cost of disability and are not linked to whether or not a person is employed.
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      · 1 days ago
      @Swiftynobeer Reposting this to the correct comment because the last bit got cut off. :(

      Here's hoping this actually turns up something and isn't just a repeat of them just getting rid of the idea of freezing PIP. I'm not saying that wasn't a good thing, don't get me wrong, but they got their way in that situation much too easily when all they did was get rid of what could argued to be the least harsh proposal they had.

      As it stands, the whole of the Green Paper needs to be open for consultation at the very least and this will mean having to delay the vote for such a consultation to take place.

      Anything else is just going to be pure derailment in order for Starmer to get his own way.

      Also, it's about time a major news outlet actually mentioned that PIP is not linked to work. Perhaps I've misread but I haven't seen it mentioned much of anywhere in the mainstream media. But then again, the editor who wrote up this particular write-up got quite confrontational with Kendall whenever she interviewed her, which was quite nice to see. It's just a shame she didn't bring up the fact that PIP is not an out of work benefit during any of these interviews.
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    · 2 days ago
    THE LABOUR PARTY AND THE GOVERNMENT are finished for GOOD, therefore, it will be a very, very long time not in my lifetime before they will get any recognition from any voters who will fall for these deceiving labour party again and they might as well enjoy what they hold as an Labour MP for the next four years.
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      · 1 days ago
      @Robin Hood I would change support if they get rid of Starmer and his cohort inside the labour party by a challenge to the leadership and reversing his damage. Much like the tories rid themselves of Liz Truss and Bojo
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    · 2 days ago
    still no clarity on PIP for those over Pension age ?
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      · 1 days ago
      @CaroA Laugh away, @CarolA, it's the best medicine. If only the government realised that and stopped with the misery. Think of the savings then!
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      · 1 days ago
      @rookie Beautifully introduced link -it almost made me laugh although I know that's not allowed and could lose me some points!
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    · 2 days ago
    A new pip assessment is part of the government's agenda. I'm not sure there's any value in estimating how 4 points might be achieved, when we don't know how the points will be allocated.

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