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PIP cuts latest: 127 rebel Labour MPs, Tory offer, Starmer unmoving, Timms on TV

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Tuesday saw more Labour rebels sign the amendment which aims to kill the Universal Credit and Personal Independence Payment Bill.

The total number of signatories is now 134, which includes:

  • 127 Labour MPs (including two suspended)
  • 5 DUP MPs
  • 2 independent MPs

There’s a full alphabetical list at the end of this article.

It’s also been suggested that one Labour MP has removed their name from the amendment as whips and ministers pile pressure on rebels to get back into line, though we haven’t identified which MP this might be.  Update:  one name missing from the latest list is Samantha Niblett, the Labour MP for South Derbyshire.

Tory offer to support the bill

Kemi Badenoch offered to give Tory support to the beleaguered bill, but with three conditions:

  • Reduce the cost of welfare more than this bill does
  • Get more people into work
  • Guarantee no new tax rises in the Autumn

Labour rejected the offer in what appeared to be an ugly and unprincipled episode of bartering with the lives of disabled claimants.

London mayor backs rebels

London mayor, Sadiq Khan, has called on the government to drop the bill until a proper system of support has been put in place, arguing: 

“I have always said that more must be done to support people to go from relying on benefits to getting back into work. It’s vital for a healthy and prosperous London. What we can’t do is take away the vital safety net that so many vulnerable and disabled Londoners rely upon.”

Starmer unmoving

Keir Starmer is refusing to give ground to the Labour rebels.  He told reporters yesterday “We’re pressing on with a vote on this because we need to bring about reform.”

Elsewhere, there are rumours he is considering postponing next Tuesday's vote in order to gain time to win rebels round.

Timms to face work and pensions committee

Stephen Timms, the DWP disability minister currently working on rewriting the PIP eligibility criteria, is to face questioning by the commons work and pensions committee from 9.43am today.  You can watch him on parliament tv

Full alphabetical list of the MPs who have signed the amendment

Abbott, Ms Diane

Abrahams, Debbie

Al-Hassan, Sadik

Ali, Tahir

Allin-Khan, Dr Rosena

Arthur, Dr Scott

Baker, Richard

Bance, Antonia

Barker, Paula

Barron, Lee

Beales, Danny

Beavers, Lorraine

Begum, Apsana

Betts, Mr Clive

Billington, Ms Polly

Bishop, Matt

Blake, Olivia

Brash, Mr Jonathan

Burgon, Richard

Burke, Maureen

Butler, Dawn

Byrne, Ian

Cadbury, Ruth

Campbell, Mr Gregory  (DUP)

Coleman, Ben

Collinge, Lizzi

Cooper, Andrew

Cooper, Dr Beccy

Craft, Jen

Creasy, Ms Stella

Davies, Paul

De Cordova, Marsha

Dean, Josh

Dhesi, Mr Tanmanjeet Singh

Dixon, Anna

Duffield, Rosie (Independent)

Duncan-Jordan, Neil

Easton,  Alex (Independent NI)

Eastwood, Colum

Eastwood, Sorcha

Eccles, Cat

Edwards, Lauren

Efford, Clive

Ellis, Maya

Entwistle, Kirith

Eshalomi, Florence

Evans, Chris

Fenton-Glynn, Josh

Ferguson, Patricia

Foster, Mr Paul

Foxcroft, Vicky

Francis, Daniel

Furniss, Gill

Gardner, Dr Allison

Gilbert, Tracy

Gwynne,  Andrew (Labour suspended)

Hack, Amanda

Haigh, Louise

Hall, Sarah

Hamilton, Fabian

Hamilton, Paulette

Hanna, Claire

Hayes, Helen

Hillier, Dame Meg

Hinchliff, Chris

Hume, Alison

Hurley, Patrick

Hussain, Imran

Jermy, Terry

Jogee, Adam

Johnson, Kim

Jones, Lillian

Jones, Ruth

Kelly Foy, Mary

Khan, Afzal

Lamb, Peter

Lavery, Ian

Leishman, Brian

Lewell, Emma

Lewis, Clive

Lockhart, Carla (DUP)

Long Bailey, Rebecca

Maskell, Rachael

McDonald, Andy

McDonnell, John  (Labour suspended)

McKenna, Kevin

Midgley, Anneliese

Mishra, Navendu

Mohamed, Abtisam

Morris, Grahame

Mullane, Margaret

Myer, Luke

Naish, James

Naismith, Connor

Newbury, Josh

Nichols, Charlotte

Onn, Melanie

Opher, Dr Simon

Osamor, Kate

Osborne, Kate

Owen, Sarah

Paffey, Darren

Pitcher, Lee

Platt, Jo

Quigley, Mr Richard

Qureshi, Yasmin

Ranger, Andrew

Rhodes, Martin

Ribeiro-Addy, Bell

Riddell-Carpenter, Jenny

Rimmer, Ms Marie

Robertson, Dave

Robinson, Gavin (DUP)

Rushworth, Sam

Shah, Naz

Shannon, Jim (DUP)

Smith, Cat

Sobel, Alex

Stainbank, Euan

Stewart, Elaine

Sullivan, Kirsteen

Swann, Robin

Trickett, Jon

Tufnell, Henry

Turner, Laurence

Vaughan, Tony

Webb, Chris

Western, Matt

Whittome, Nadia

Williams, David

Wilson,  Sammy (DUP)

Witherden, Steve

Yang, Yuan

Yasin, Mohammad

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    Dods
    · 9 minutes ago
    I wouldn’t say Timms is “demonic”, that’s kinda giving him too much credit as an autonomous being. He’s more like the ineffectual, bumbling non-entity you wheel out to rehearse the party line in vague terms because you know that party line is going to collapse in a few days yet have to appear steadfast. 
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    clearwater
    · 25 minutes ago
    That Untrustworthy Toad...........   Stephen Timms states 


    frankly i cant watch more BS drivel. 
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    Manny
    · 33 minutes ago
    Wow! ,If thos goes through with the help of the Tories,this will be the death Knell for the LP .
    And they'll both have blood on their hands,so they'll protect each other.
    Hopefully they'll be a breakthrough over the weekend 🙏, and they'll give some leeway, maybe with some delay and impact assessment. 
    But I ain't hold my breath.
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    Lisa
    · 1 hours ago
    Not surprised my MP for Barking and MP for Dagenham arent on there. They're absolutely Starmerites. We have some of the highest poverty rates in the UK in this borough. Taking away people's LCWRA part of UC if they dont get enhanced care rate is absolutely barbaric.
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    Gingin
    · 1 hours ago
    ITV reports Starmer’s answer to a Mail journalist’s question and it is quite hilarious! The opposing MPs are apparently just ‘noises off’ - the man knows how to charm and win people over, doesn’t he? 🤣 I think he’s finished, even if the end drags on a bit.

    'Is it tough going? Are there plenty of noises off? Yes, of course - there always are'

    The PM insists Labour is a 'united front' on the proposed welfare reforms, despite over 120 backbenchers backing a move to block the plans

    Starmer says he's 'comfortable reading the room    '

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    Marc
    · 1 hours ago
    The Guardian : Starmer suggests welfare bill revolt just 'noises off' as he rejects claim row shows he is bad at politics


    He's going completely doolally 
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    John
    · 1 hours ago
    On conditionality Timms said UC health recipients will only be required to engage in support conversations and some would be exempt from that. As the government to start with will focus on those on UC health who want help into work. But the government believes conditionality is appropriate for the UC health group and will be looking at increasing conditionality on UC health recipients in the future. At least if not enough people take up the offers of help. 
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    Yorkie Bard
    · 1 hours ago
    So - It's behind a paywall. 

    What you can see is a picture of mint cake and she's gone incognito!
    It really is worth a look.

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    Hilde
    · 1 hours ago
    I really "hope" there's a new Labour party assembling itself somewhere in the wings. People with credibility and experience, and who will have compassion and socialistic views at the heart of it. Because we sure are going to need it in four years time..
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    James
    · 1 hours ago
    Source for GDP of UK is  


    So 4.1% or 104.14bn to be spent on defence next year up from 2.3% and yet 5.5% on Welfare is unstainable ? 

    So how is defence sustainable whereas Welfare is not ? The UK should not be buying US based aircrafts and submarines to help US workers but should be helping UK Citizens live a better standard of life. 

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    James
    · 1 hours ago
    Starmer just promised 4.1% of GDP on defence at the Nato Summit in the Hague. Using the Gross Domestic Product for the UK for this year at 2.31 trillion that means he is proposing to spend 106bn in defence in 2027
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    Dee
    · 2 hours ago
    I thought I'd add how big a situation we are in right now. This is one of those moments that rarely happen in Northern Ireland were all parties have collectively united to agree these cuts are cruel. All NI MPs but Sinn Fein are on that list (we don't get many). They don't have their party identified for some reason. Sinn Fein are applying pressure in other ways just not in parliament as usual. 

    Local news story via pay wall bypass for those interested.
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    Wayne
    · 2 hours ago
    The fact that people will lose pip and carers allowance because of 4 point rule and everything else is disgusting attack.its ok for government to waste money on HS2 and other crap but disabled must suffer 
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      Old Mother
      · 48 minutes ago
      @Wayne And don’t they waste money. It’s better spent being circulated by many in their own communities than in the hands of a few special interests.  

      Government is fiscally incontinent.  
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      Anniesmum
      · 51 minutes ago
      @Wayne I completely agree! Then the narrative the government keep peddling around the disabled is disgusting.
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    MATT
    · 2 hours ago
    Just seen on BBC news, Rayner (standing in for Starmer) has stated the vote will go ahead next week, although if the numbers keep on going up I think there may be a very late change. It's still Wednesday)
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      Dee
      · 1 hours ago
      @MATT They will repeat that like a broken record until something finally gives when they realise it isn't going to work. 
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    Anon
    · 2 hours ago
    Stephen Timms is a truly demonic entity. 
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    Mouseclickeyboardtap
    · 3 hours ago
    "Labour rejected the Tory offer in what appeared to be an ugly and unprincipled episode of bartering with the lives of disabled claimants."

    The deluded hypocroicy of Labour this is exactly what Labour already want to implement into legislation!

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    Anniesmum
    · 4 hours ago
    What happens next if they do pull the bill? 
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      Cuckoo21
      · 1 hours ago
      @Hopeful Squirrel Oh god I hope so, cabinet reshuffle as well. Get rid of Liz Kendall and Rachel reeves. Hideous creatures.
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      Hopeful Squirrel
      · 3 hours ago
      @Anniesmum New prime minister probably 
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    Claire
    · 4 hours ago
    Widespread speculation No 10 will pull the entire welfare bill before the end of Wednesday,a tweet from Kitty Donaldson.Reported in the Guardian live politics.
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      Neil Cook
      · 33 minutes ago
      @Claire If it's pulled entirely is it over or just postponed and if postponed then when would they likely decide to try again ?
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      David morgs
      · 39 minutes ago
      @Pious She doesn’t need any help to look stupid lol.
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      Yorkie Bard
      · 2 hours ago
      @Pious Pious She does anyway
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      tintack
      · 2 hours ago
      @kevin
      "would that end an end to the bill completely?"

      No, in the meantime they might try to win over rebels with some "concessions", though there's virtually no chance that they will offer anything meaningful. That's why, if the vote is delayed, it's vital to keep up the pressure on Labour MPs to make sure they don't fall for whatver nonsense the government tries. 

      Although pulling the bill would only delay the vote, they have been desperate to hold it now because they don't want their own MPs seeing the detailed impact assessments before the vote. The reason for that is that those assessments will almost certainly make for very grim reading indeed, which would only persuade even more of their own MPs to vote against (and make it even harder to win over those who have already expressed their opposition). The impact assessments are due to be published in the autumn, so hopefully they should be available by the time of an autumn vote. The only thing that could change the verdict of the impact assessments is if the government offered major concessions, but no-one expects that to happen. 
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      Pious
      · 3 hours ago
      @Claire Angela Rayner in PMQ's has just dispelled this, and said the vote is going ahead on Tuesday. They'd be making her look stupid, if she said that just now during PMQ's to then only pull the bill.
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    john
    · 4 hours ago
    The white paper for the pathways to work green paper they hope to publish at the same time as the Autumn budget. So late October-early November.
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      tintack
      · 3 hours ago
      @john The detailed impact assessments should hopefully be available by then, and given that they will make for very grim reading that should make it even harder for the government to win a vote. The only thing that could change the verdict of the impact assessments is if the government offers really major concessions, but I think we all know there is virtually no chance of them offering anything other than minor tweaks. 
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      john
      · 3 hours ago
      @john The white paper will reveal what they are going to do in regards to those who qualify for LCWRA under special rules, like undergoing cancer treatment, or risk of likely substantial detrimental effect to health. Timms says these groups will be protected?

      But the Universal Credit and Personal Independence Payment bill as written excludes those who are likely substantial detrimental effect to health from being in the severe group. As only those whose LCWRA eligibility is via schedule 7 can qualify for the severe group if they also meet the severe group criteria. Not schedule 9
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    D.Head
    · 4 hours ago
    our good mate Timms again standing up for the disabled.

    quoted from the BBC website "
    He added he would be "delighted" to get support from the Conservatives and "across the entire House".

    what a charmer

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