Labour has repeatedly claimed that “only” one in ten claimants will lose their PIP daily living component as a result of the four-point rule.  But the Office for Budget Responsibility’s (OBR) latest estimate is that one in four of all claimants who are assessed will lose their award.  Which one is correct?

OBR figures

The OBR published a supplementary forecast the day after the first reading of the Universal Credit and Personal Independence Payment Bill.  It now considers that “roughly a quarter” of all PIP claimants assessed between November 2026 and March 2030 will lose their daily living award.

What they say in detail is:

“We expect 1.64 million PIP claimants will have an award review between November 2026 and March 2030. Of these, we expect roughly a quarter (430,000) will lose their daily living award as a result of the tightened criteria. We expect the net impact of these additional disallowals on the caseload to be 390,000 by March 2030,1 as 40,000 of those disallowed due to the policy would have subsequently left the caseload later in the forecast period.”

So, in total the OBR estimates that 430,000 out of 1.64 million claimants will lose their PIP daily living.  But because they consider that 40,000 of those claimants would have lost their award for other reasons in that period anyway, then the final figure is 390,000 fewer awards as a result of the four-point rule.

Government figures

Yet the impact assessment published by the government the day before uses the previous OBR estimate of 370,000 – only 20,000 different - losing their award, but claims that this means “around 9 in 10 of the original  caseload are not affected.”

So which is it – one in ten or one in four?

DWP ruses

The DWP have used two ruses to get the lower figure.

The first is that they have included pension age PIP claimants in their total number of awards, even though they insist that pension age claimants will not be affected.

The OBR have only looked at the 3 million working age PIP claimants, not the 3.7 million total number of PIP claimants.

The second DWP ruse is to pretend that all claimants will have been reassessed in this period.  In fact, the OBR expects only 1.64 million claimants to have been reassessed by March 2030.  This leaves another 1.36 claimants still waiting to be reassessed by 2036.

If the one in four figure holds good for all reassessments, then the final number will be nearer 715,000 PIP daily living claims cut by 2036/37 when all reassessment have been completed.

What happens after 2028?

In fact, neither of these estimates may be anywhere near the truth, because disability minister Stephen Timms has already begun a review of the PIP assessment system in which descriptors, scores and everything else is up for grabs.

Timms’ new PIP assessment system is due to be introduced in 2028 and may have a dramatic effect on how many PIP claims are cut.  It will be in Labour’s power to make the PIP scoring system much more generous or much harsher.

For example, removing just one point from the 4 point descriptor “1 (e) Needs supervision or assistance to either prepare or cook a simple meal.” would mean over thirty percent of claimants who currently get four points would no longer do so and would lose their award on reassessment.

The reality is that if the four point rule makes it into law, it gives Labour the power to adjust the number of PIP awards in any way they want, with just a few simple tweaks to the scores.

So, by 2030, both the one in ten estimate and the one in four estimate may both be wide of the mark.

But, in the meantime, it might be worth sharing that one in four figure and a link to the OBR supplementary forecast with your MP, before next Tuesday’s debate.

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    · 15 hours ago
    I live on my own and rely on uc health element and pip so stand to lose both. I'm not well enough to work. I need immunosuppressant therapy which means I have no immune system.i am a huge infection risk bugs and virus can and have put me in hospital. The last one was feb when i picked up enteroccus which lives everywhere and is harmless to most people unless you are immunosuppressed.  I spent 3 days in hospital needing iv antibiotics. 
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    · 16 hours ago
    any body who is not currently receiving UC should immediately do so via Citizens advice help to claim UC. Even more so if they are in the support group and even more so if they qualify for contribution based ESA.
    Now here's the thing, finding whether you are eligible for contribution based ESA can be tricky, please ring the ESA LINE at 8am to start with. It was advised by an ESA cont advisor that ESA cont based from the support group does not have a time limit at all which means you continue to receive ESA even though we are told its a legacy benefit. ESA cont is not means tested either. When applying for UC its important to stress you are in the support group which should automatically put you in the LCWRA group although in practise you might need to hammer this home, and/or get help from Citizens advice or your boroughs benefits advice centre.  Phone your council to see if they have one.  With PIP we will all have to wait with fingers crossed. I wish everyone the best of luck and don't be dishearted yet. Right to your MP!
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      · 10 hours ago
      @MJ It goes way back... Say during benefit claiming between 1996-98 you claimed incapacityB then this apparently means you also receive Nat Insurance paid that meant you automatically had paid enough NI to claim ESAcont. To my understanding and getting the majority of info through the internet.
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      · 12 hours ago
      @Hedgehog Hi Hedgehog, would someone who had been on Income based ESA for 10 years let's say, be eligible for contribution based ESA? Not quite sure how it works but I assume if you were on Income based for years it almost definitely means you aren't eligible for contribution based ESA I take it. 
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      · 13 hours ago
      @Hedgehog My husband is strangely still on DLA. In Support group and is on Contribution Based ESA. Would this advice still apply please?
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    · 22 hours ago
    What about people like me whose only income is pip and ESA contributions support group. There will be thousands of poorly disabled people with absolutely no money coming in at all. How do we survive with no money. My heartbreaks. I’ve sent many emails to my no Graham stringer in Manchester. I’ve not even had a response at all. 
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      · 16 hours ago
      @Jac Sure you'd just go out and get a job.... doh.... it's all this free cash the government is giving us is keeping us from looking for jobs. We should thank them for taking us of the scrapheap and giving us back all our dignity. Thank God for the Labour government, we'dall feel immoral and useless without them. 

      Sarcasm aside I'm in the same boat as you absolutely terrified is the understatement. 
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      · 17 hours ago
      @Cathedral city Agree, and I nearly  a state pensionable age in just over a Yr. What happens  then with those changes it's all to much and they know it is 
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      · 17 hours ago
      @Jac I only claim p.i.p   I will be in neighbourhood  stable somewhere living amongst the wildlife.
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      · 17 hours ago
      @Jac Me too, as I live alone and receive lcwra and standard pip daily living. I don't even know if those of us in this situation will be able to claim standard UC, as we aren't well enough to work and, therefore, can't fulfil the commitments required to claim UC.
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    · 1 days ago
    If this is all referring to the pip issue specifically what about those who are on UC/LCWRA only. Where does that leave those people?
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    · 1 days ago
    These labour mp rebels might be one of the few things that stop the Labour Party from general election wipeout in 2029

    I was really hoping that prehaps starmer would realise he’s being advised badly, remember he used to have morals and have a true relaunch of his premiership - but in the last fortnight he’s come across as a nasty piece of work that is overly keen to be a wartime pm and trumps personal lapdog.

    Starmers position is becoming more and more untenable- problem is Labour don’t really have a good replacement in the wings (both streeting and rayner are pretty bad - and sadly the only figure imo that could unite both Labour wings in Andy burham isn’t an mp)

    So I guess we are heading towards one hell of a messed up reform gov in 4yrs as there may be too much damage for starmer to repair now
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      · 18 hours ago
      @MATT I'm jealous you have that long until your review. My husband's is just two months after the date they want to start ruining lives.
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      · 21 hours ago
      @D Labour is finished as the party of the working class in this country. Its membership is collapsing while discontent with Labour in the unions is soaring. The socialist left is never going back to Labour due to its support for the genocide in Gaza.
      This will all help the new Left party launched by Corbyn and others. The Labour Party currently resembles the Liberal Party of the late 19th century which was supported by the unions. The unions breaking away from the Liberals to create a new working class party dealt a huge blow to the Liberals and now we have come full circle. Time for the unions and the socialist left which both created the Labour Party to create anew party to represent the working class.
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      · 23 hours ago
      @D I think more likely a very messy coalition and my review is in 2030! Heaven knows what sort of Govt we'll have by then
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    · 1 days ago
    And then we hit the earth with a bump.  According to the BBC, the Tories are in discussions as to whether they should vote for the bill instead of against it.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8d6947ej5ro
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      · 17 hours ago
      @SLB Tories want the cuts anyway.  It's a case off, whether Tories think they may gain / win back voters, if they vote against labours planned cuts.

      I personally think Tories will, as they know the country hates them, so they really have not a lot to lose.
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    · 1 days ago
    I think it's the right moment to change tack slightly.  If our MP is on the list of signatures of the amendment, we need to send them a message of thanks and support.  The list of signatures should be made public tonight, and this will be the first time we know the full list of names of those against the cuts.  For many, this will be the first time they have ever rebelled against their party (many are still rookie MPs), and they know they are possibly risking their future careers by doing so.  We have moaned a lot about MPs lately, but showing support to them now might make all the difference here.   If they are supporting us, we should support them.
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      · 1 days ago
      @SLB Well said SLB, they absolutely should hear from us. This is no small risk for them. 
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    · 1 days ago
    I know who I believe and it's not heartless wannabe Tories who are blaming and using disabled people as fodder for there fellow politicians ineptitude.
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    · 1 days ago
    From the BBC about the rebellion.  This could be it!

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8d6947ej5ro
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      · 1 days ago
      @pollenpath Pollenpath- haha, yes I am. Defenestrate- ooh, TWO new words for me in one week! Goldmine!🤣
      Let’s just bask in some good news for at least a few hours. I know the path ahead isn’t smooth, but let’s enjoy this
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      · 1 days ago
      @SLB SLB- Yes, I agree. Also, I think more Labour MPs will come out against this as the more there are, the more protected they are from punishment. Even if it does get through 2nd reading, this much opposition this early on can only be a good thing. 
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      · 1 days ago
      @SLB Given that the Tories themselves kicked off this latest round of assaults on sickness and disability benefits before leaving office last year, they might be minded to throw Starmer and Co a lifeline. But it could be just that for him, given how precarious some commentators seem to think his premiership is at the moment. So would the Tories really step in to effectively help shore him up at this point? The politics of this now isn't about what's best for us, of course. (As though it ever was!) But even if the Bill is pulled, how long before Kendall's replacement (because surely she'll have to go?) tries another tack to impoverish, immiserate (are you reading @gingin?!) and defenestrate us? 
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      · 1 days ago
      @Gingin Yeah, my eyes somehow skipped that bit.  But would Labour want to win a vote by relying on a possible Tory helping hand, despite the fact Labour have a 160+ majority?  It would be a very bad look. 
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      · 1 days ago
      @Gingin Could starmer do a detail with kemi for her to whip her Tory MPs to vote for the bill or abstain?

      At the end of the day her main goal is to embarrass or get one over her Labour counterpart - and there are many ways for her to achieve that 
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    · 1 days ago
    DWP disability benefit cuts shock as plans rejected by over 70 Labour MPs

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/dwp-chief-liz-kendall-warned-35439705
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      · 1 days ago
      @James According to the mirror article 10 of the 27 committee chairs have signed the amendment. 
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    · 1 days ago
    Let’s all prey breaking news tonight the government committee board have tabled a new amendment to squash the reform against disabled people the amendment was done tonight by the committee and have already got near 100 signatures actually figures will be out tonight at 1030pm this amendment will be good news at last this will make Kendall starmer and co furious. The committee have said the government didn’t listen to us privately and now we have gone public. Let’s all prey to end this cruel way of doing reform and let the government actually listen to us and charities and do the reform in a human way thank you for reading my post 
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    · 1 days ago
    PIP has allowed people who are not working to live a better life, not just scrape by on JSA. As my income increased I could afford better food, a better vehicle, treats for my Grandchildren and much more. We have gained a higher standard, a higher status, a levelling up of income with those we used to be. I don't want to give this up, go back to dark, colourless days. PIP gave me a new look on life, a new life, it restored my equality. 
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      · 23 hours ago
      @Sean
      On just JSA  - there is no life for disabled.  It is constant fear and extreme exhaustion, starvation, fuel poverty and severe worsening of person health. 
      PIP helps to afford the most basic necessities!
      PIP allows me to keep lights on! To keep heating on, when needed!   With PIP I can wash my dishes in a warm water, and not make my arthritis worse.   Allows to pay all the essential bills, and the council tax.    Make my shopping on line! Without it I would not be able to do it!   Can afford extra bedding, and sanitary products.  Also get help  when needed.  Pay for the txai to GP appointments.  The list goes on!
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      · 1 days ago
      @Sean pip keeps me independent. god knows what the cost would be if I had to get others to read and write things for me. it also gives me the privacy and mobility sighted people take for granted. I can also pay for sighted help when the tech just won't do things. 
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    · 1 days ago
    Labour MPs mount major bid to block benefits changes


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8d6947ej5ro

    This could be swinging in our favour. Hope pressure is being applied to Hoyle to call this amendment.
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    · 1 days ago
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk.

    The Independent has been told that MPs – including ministers – considering rebelling against the government’s welfare reforms on Tuesday next week have been threatened with losing the whip and even, according to two sources, deselection.

    The issue came to a head in a fiery meeting of the Parliamentary Labour Party addressed by work and pensions secretary Liz Kendall on Monday evening (23rd June), with several MPs privately claiming it could end up with Keir Starmer being forced out as leader.
    But the new amendment, which is understood to be fronted by the Treasury select committee chair Meg Hillier and other committee chairs, may garner even more support.
    Lets hope it does!
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    · 1 days ago
    I’ve emailed my Lib Dem MP with this info. Thanks B&W 
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    · 1 days ago
    *She will have additional info after 10pm this evening. 

    @romillyweeks 
    ITV News
    The amendment opposing the Govt’s Welfare Bill has been tabled. I understand 80 MPs have signed and that doesn’t include any of the Socialist Campaign Group who are also opposed. So unless they come up with concessions the Govt would be heading for defeat next wk @itvnews
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    · 1 days ago
    This is the kind of thing I dream of:

    ‘The issue came to a head in a fiery meeting of the Parliamentary Labour Party addressed by work and pensions secretary Liz Kendall on Monday evening with several MPs privately claiming it could end up with Keir Starmer being forced out as leader.
    ….
    One senior MP told The Independent: “The sharks are circling around the prime minister.”


    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/benefit-cuts-welfare-reform-labour-mps-starmer-b2775230.html





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    · 1 days ago
    DWP are very good at sanctioning benefit claimants often for trivial infringements! 

    So given there are so many inaccuracies in what the minister says and what was published in it’s woefully inadequate impact assessment, I think it’s time that DWP, the minister and government should all be sanctioned when they tell these lies. Now the OBR supplementary forecasts is confirming our worst fears and what we could all see for ourselves yet they keep spouting these lies!!!

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