The DWP appeared upbeat about the progress of managed migration when they appeared before the commons work and pensions committee last week, claiming the failure rate is within a “tolerable limit” and close to zero.  However, they still resorted to cheap tricks to make it harder for the committee to get to the truth.

When asked about the managed migration of employment and support allowance (ESA) claimants onto universal credit, Neil Couling, the Senior Responsible Owner for Universal Credit, told the MPs that “It might surprise the Committee, but we already have about 100,000—just a tad over…Out of 900,000 ESA people. We have got them on to universal credit.”

Couling claimed that nobody on ESA was being left behind.

“The attrition rates are basically zero if your concern was people who were not claiming. About 96% of people do claim, but you have a natural rate of termination of that . . . That is the normal rate. We are basically getting people over on to universal credit, with the exception of tax credits, which we have spoken about before, I think, at previous hearings. For ESA, it is almost complete; I do not want to say it is absolute, but it is within a tolerable limit.”

It is definitely good news that so far the drop out rate for ESA migration is very low.  But if the DWP had automated the process and transferred claimants over themselves, then there would have been no failure rate at all. Let alone one that the DWP regards as within a “tolerable limit”.

But one concern is that the DWP have only transferred 100,000 ESA claimants since September, a period of around 5 months, but they are now increasing the migration rate to over 60,000 a month.

Couling says that they can handle the increased rate of telephone claims, explaining “Normally, telephony claims run at 2% to 3%. We are seeing 15% and 16% for ESA, but we would expect that. We are set up to handle that, because you have lower rates of digital capability and awareness.”

But there is also the issue of the very considerable amount of staff time that needs to be devoted to claimants who do not respond to a migration notice, or who drop out part way through the process. 

As Couling set out “If people do not respond to our migration notice and they are on ESA, we do not switch off their entitlement to employment and support allowance without attempting further contact. We send text messages, where we have phone numbers. We contact other parties—social services and others—who may be in contact with the claimant. We check our old records to see if we have any routes in. If none of that works, we then offer a visit, and we try to visit the claimant.”

As month after month of very high volumes of migrations are begun, the concern is that DWP staff will not have the time to go through this rigorous process for every ESA claimant who is unable to engage, and corners will start to be cut by staff under pressure to stick to the very tight migration timetable.

Because it is definitely the case that things still go wrong.

Last November, the DWP announced that it had introduced a technical fix to ensure that ESA claimants would not be required to provide fit notes and that they would also be transferred to the same group, limited capability for work or limited capability for work-related activity, in UC.

Yet, Benefits and Work continues to hear from a smaller – but very definitely not zero – number of people for whom this is still not working.

Two weeks ago, Martin told us that he was asked “to provide fit notes pending a new health assessment”. 

Another commentor in the past fortnight said that his son, who has had a brain injury for almost thirty years has been asked to attend a jobcentre and provide evidence of his condition.

And H told us just yesterday that his brother, diagnosed with learning difficulties and autism and who is in the support group, has been asked to provide a fit note.

So, there is definitely reason for scepticism when the DWP say that everything is going smoothly for virtually everyone.

And that scepticism is likely to be increased by the underhand tactics employed by the DWP to avoid scrutiny.

In November, after their last meeting with the department, the work and pensions committee wrote to the DWP asking a series of questions “about how the most severely disabled people are going to be protected” during managed migration.

The DWP chose not to reply to that letter until the very last moment, at 6.45pm the evening before their meeting with the work and pensions committee.  As the chair of the committee, Debbie Abrahams, remarked at the opening of the session

“That did not really give Members an opportunity to review it. I will ask specific questions on the transitional protections for severely disabled people a little bit later on.”

That the DWP’s tactic had worked was evident when Abrahams did later ask about transitional protection. Abrahams had clearly failed to understand that claimants do not have to apply separately for it.

This meant that she was unable to continue with any further questions, saying “I will re-check the wording. Obviously, I have had only a short time between receiving the letter last night and being able to speak with you today.”

That the DWP chose to use this cheap lawyers trick to avoid scrutiny of what provision they have put in place to protect vulnerable claimants possibly tells us more about managed migration than their claims that the failure rate is almost zero.

You can read the transcript of the work and pensions committee session here.

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    · 1 days ago
    Thank you @Michael  and @Charger 7 for calmly bringing to our attention a potential difference between the treatment of claimants in private rented and council accommodation. Very useful to have these sorts of details to help us get things right.
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      · 1 days ago
      @Frances Your welcome Frances hope mine and Michael explanations gets it right for everybody on here take care 
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    · 2 days ago
    Keir starmers dwp are frightening people to death 
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    · 3 days ago
    They're blabbering on about getting disabled and sick people into work, when

    "UK employers are preparing for the biggest redundancy round in a decade amid collapsing business confidence as firms brace for tax increases from April that Rachel Reeves announced in her autumn budget."

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      · 11 hours ago
      @Scorpion People are still spending money in shops and at packed Retail parks
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      · 2 days ago
      @Matt You need the relevant skills though
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      · 2 days ago
      @Scorpion I suspect what the Government wants to see is many of those without physical/sensory impairments who are relatively physically fit been pushed/forced into what was once described as 'grunt' work. Someone is going to have build all those houses/infrastructure projects.....
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    · 3 days ago
    I’m trying to be strong but all the worry is stressing me and my family out no end.
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    · 4 days ago
    Can someone help me. I'm on ESA waiting to get my UC migration letter anytime this year. I know when you first claim they pay you the first two weeks. But then you get nothing for three weeks. My full rent is £98.53 a week. Or bedroom tax £14.50. A week. Do they expect you to pay the full rent of £98.53. I know you can get a loan but then have to pay it back. And what about council tax. Do you have to notify them when you make UC claim. The whole thing seems like a nightmare and dredding it. Not having internet at home. And need help using a computer.  
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      · 2 days ago
      @Charger 7 That's ok. I should have explained myself better too! I was referring to private rental (my scenario) and I didn't consider council accommodation.

      Im glad you were informed directly from your council. It's not something they do for private rental im afraid. Not in my case anyway. Probably why the JC reminded me twice to do it.

      Have a lovely evening.
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      · 2 days ago
      @Michael My apologies I should of mentioned I'm in council 1 bed bungalow they sent me letter saying my council tax stays the same which was zero should of explained it better Michael 
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      · 3 days ago
      @Charger 7 Just have to correct you on.the last sentence.

      You really do need to advise council regarding your move to UC for CT purposes. It is not up to UC, your local council is local government & responsible for CT, not central government.  If you don't, you could end up owing allot once the council do realise or indeed not given enough exemption because you didn't inform them.of changes.

      I was reminded twice by the JC to make sure I contacted the council and I'm amazed you wasn't.  It really is important.
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      · 3 days ago
      @Bob Bob if your job centre is nearby you could go there to apply for universal credit and use there computers or make a phone call from there
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      · 4 days ago
      @Bob Hi Bob. It's really nothing to dread. It is quite a simple process.

      So firstly, the day you claim UC is the day your ESA & housing stop. 2 weeks following that, you will be paid another 2 weeks ESA AND housing. About 3 weeks after that, you receive your 1st UC payment, which is for the FULL month previous. (UC pays in arrears)

      I managed perfectly fine with the rent, due to the 2 week run off I received for both ESA & housing. 

      If you think you will potentially struggle, although i fail to see why anybody would, you can request a small bridging loan which you pay back (a small amount) each month from your UC.

      Regarding CT, yes, YOU need to contact your council and inform them of the change. Council tax was devolved to all councils some years back. For me personally,  I lost out on that part as I was receiving 100% CT entitlement as I was receiving both disability elements (Enhanced & severe) but my council only pay a maximum of 75% entitlement on UC. Only inform them once you know your 'statement date' which you will be informed of either in person, if you have to take identification to your local JC, or on your UC account once everything has been verified.

      Lastly, because of the run off payments, you are actually 1 week better off on your payments, so you gain rather than losing out.


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    · 5 days ago
    Is it wise to read much into Kendall scraping the Tory reform of the WCA? I guess Labour will do it in their own way. Here's a question, will MP's reject their pay rise? given it's a burden on the taxpayers...funny how the likes of the Telegraph never ask such questions but continue to pour their cowardly scorn upon the weakest and most vulnerable in society.
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      · 4 days ago
      @Rik It's sounds like more face assessments so you're probably right Rik 
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      · 4 days ago
      @Charger 7 Sounds like more costly assessment, as I've said all alone Labour seem keen on giving the like of ATOS more massive contracts.
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      · 4 days ago
      @MrFibro Corrupt politicians who are not in it for public service but for self service with the exception of a few good mps. 
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      · 5 days ago
      @Dave Dee Reject their pay rises, in short the answer is NO.  I just cannot get me head around, how they can justify their wages and expense's.  

      Seems to me claimants have for a few decades now, became their personal cash cows.
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      · 5 days ago
      @Dave Dee Articule in independent apparently Pip could now change to additional costs disability payment its also in Birmingham live Pip 
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    · 5 days ago
    And another headache for any Govt, not just in the UK but in Europe as well. Very good article in the Guardian from Gabby Hinchcliffe in relation to the USA's new foreign policy and insistence that Europe pays 5% of its GDP on defence.  If the UK has to do this to maintain security, then there will be substantial cuts across all Govt departments (including those currently protected).  The future for all, disabled or not, unless very rich is pretty grim. I also note latest polling in Wales which suggests that Reform could oust Labour in any future devolved elections.....
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      · 4 days ago
      @Dave Dee doubht it

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      · 5 days ago
      @Matt I know Reform are growing in support and I know there's many who are disillusioned with Labour/Tories but is Thatcherism on steroids the answer to Britain's problems? Maybe Farage/Reform will water down their stance on welfare in order to get those who are recipients of welfare on side? 
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    · 6 days ago
    In relation to the benefit reforms what is likely to happen to people who are on pip but work anyway
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      · 3 days ago
      @Rik I'm not saying that any particular benefit is scrapped, but disallowing any sort of benefits to high earners. In the UK, a high earner is someone who earns more than £50,270 per year, which is when higher tax rates apply.

      If high earners get benefits, then benefits for low earners should be increased as their income is much lower than high earners.

      Why should someone on ESA getting 7,632 per year and a high earner getting £50,270 per year be paid the same amount of PIP and any other non-means-tested benefits ?

      Do you believe that multi millionaires too should get non-means-tested benefits such as PIP, child benefit, and the winter fuel allowance?
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      · 3 days ago
      @Scorpion One of  the original  reasons for making benefits and healthcare  universal and able to be claimed by all regardless of income  was to remove the stigma of means testing and the association with poverty. It was also avoid the creation of a cliff edge over which many people fell just missing out on help by a few pounds. It was  noble idea  and of course expensive. I suppose  times are different  now and  saving money seems to be the driving force of those in charge. It's pity , because it seems to encourage  divisions within communities and infighting instead of solidarity.
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      · 3 days ago
      @Scorpion By your thinking we should scrap Attendance Allowance.
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      · 4 days ago
      @Rik
      "I'm not sure what you consider a "high" income."

      For example someone who earns £50k or above should not be allowed to claim PIP.

      In the benefit system, there's a lack of fairness.

      Could you tell me why pensioners who were pretty well off used to be entitled to Winter Fuel Payment, while people on LCWRA and those on Jobseekers Allowance were not even though their overall income is much lower than those well off pensioners?
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      · 4 days ago
      @Scorpion You are falling into Labour's trap - attacking your own minority group! I'm not sure what you consider a "high" income; but disabled doesn't change just because you earn a extra few quid. Labour want to change the social contract - leaving disabled people with little more than basic level UC. This isn't the time for in fighting.
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    · 6 days ago
    I really wonder why newspapers are obsessed with benefits!

    The article in the link below, which is published today, is blabbering on about the Universal Credit sanctions, yet there's absolutely nothing new, as these sanctions have been in place since 2013 when the Conservative coalition government introduced the UC.

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      · 5 days ago
      @Scorpion to keep their (probably declining) circulations up!  Pandering to prejudice usually works....look who is POTUS
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    · 7 days ago
    I am struggling with proving my ID as I don't have a lot of the items required. I also have been unable to get a clear answer using phone calls and my journal, about what I can use instead. This has been exhausting. Luckily a relative has helped me get a PASS card so I have some photo ID now. I was too exhausted and stressed to do this on my own. I am now waiting for a home visit to verify my ID. I managed to get written assurance in my journal that my claim will not be ended while I wait. However, I have only been told it will 'take a while' and have no idea how long it will take to get a visit. Again, I am lucky I have a relative who can lend me money in the meantime but, after reading this, I am really worried that I might have to wait weeks and weeks - I just don't know. By the way, I'm smne who has received benefit for ill health for over 20 yrs and have been assessed face to face multiple times and took part in work related training when I was less ill - so the DWP has had ample opportunities to confirm my Identity.
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      · 4 days ago
      @WorkshyLayabout My name wasn't on the Council Tax bill unfortunately. I haven't gone further with the electoral register as I now have the PASS card and am hoping that, bank card and birth certificate will be enough. Other people seem to have used those and it was okay, but I will try to get a straight answer when smne eventually phones about an appt.!
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      · 6 days ago
      @EF When I went to show my id it was :-
      Citizen card.
      P60
      National insurance card
      Bank card
      Birth certificate 

      Although I used my citizen card he said I wouldn't have needed it (or any other photo id) because they other stuff I supplied was more than enough. 
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      · 6 days ago
      @EF I don't have photo ID either, but started a UC claim in 2022 with no problem just a verify your identity in a jobcentre? It seems mad ppl getting a hard time over it. I had previously worked and not claimed benefit for over a decade so maybe I left more of a footprint with tax and NI information. Once on UC I was asked to put my full name on my CV, they weren't having it Kat is my legal name til I pointed out it was on my birth certificate and all the other ID I already provided!!
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      · 7 days ago
      @EF Was the ID I suggested (Council Tax bill / proof of being on the electoral register) a no go?
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    · 7 days ago
    I think this "cheap lawyers trick" says more about the quality of the MPs on this commitee than it does about the DWP.

    The DWP feel secure in trying the cheap trick, which should really result in questions being asked, and accountability established, followed aby action.

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    · 7 days ago
    Like many others UC migration is a nightmare. Been to CAB today to get my son's award checked, Back again to morrow but they have already said it is wrong. They don't seem to have taken account of  the fact he is severely disabled, disability income guarantee and he is in the support group. There is also a query  regarding his inherited pension. How are the disabled especially those who can't manage phone calls cope. Please don't say appointee because it doesn't suit our particular circumstances just as others have mentioned. So they think it is going through smoothly!
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      · 6 days ago
      @Carole Carole ... well done for writing .. oh I know .. it is cruel on top of everything else you have to cope with .. dwp know exactly what they are doing .. shameful shoddy treatment .. and I know it is truly disgusting .. dwp are just vile reptilian thugs . 
      .... s .
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    · 7 days ago
    We’ve just had to migrate to UC and they’ve made significant mistakes in their award decision, despite having all the info & evidence necessary. No transitional protection, no child premiums, no disabled child premium, housing allowance reduced by £250. They think we can manage with less  than £400 per month when the rent alone is over £1000! Now we’re very worried about getting into debt. We used what little savings we had to manage for the month you have to wait to be assessed. I’ve no idea how long they will take to do a Mandatory Reconsideration. Such massive errors just shouldn’t happen.
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    · 7 days ago
    My son who has five percent vision had to go over to UC from income support. What a nightmare? I have to do all his paperwork, phone calls etc. I asked for a home visit as couldn't get to job centre. I'm his next if kin and have lung cancer so couldn't take him. After 3 weeks they rang and told me they only have 3 staff who could do home visits so he would have a long wait. I went mental, told them I'd had enough, was going to my MP and to the papers etc etc.
    Next day, they rand and said they had changed their minds and as son was on lifetime PIP he didn't need to go to job centre. What a joke. As for special needs coach? They hadn't heard about anyone that did that job?????
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    · 7 days ago
    They are going out of their way to make this process hell for people , I'm struggling with the process and I've been on UC for two months,  it's strict , cruel and there seem to be little or no safeguarding for physically or mentally sick people 
    Labour like to bang on about human rights , but they are not treating disabled people like humans 
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      · 5 days ago
      @Gazilla @Gazilla only got 2 weeks left on my esa now I’ve heard it’s bad then it’s a interrogation every 6 months with the bank statements to I’m dreading every day that goes by wish I didn’t have to bother with all this could do with wining the lottery the day before migration
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    · 8 days ago
    Contacted my local MP about the UC migration as I was concerned about the three weeks u don't get paid whilst they deal with your claim. She said it is backdated from the day you first claimed.  Didn't know that.  
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      · 5 days ago
      @WorkshyLayabout You don't get 2 weeks from when you provide identification evidence, you get 2 weeks paid after you have completed the online application. That's when your claim started.

      In your case since you had to go to the JC to show identification, that is usually around a week AFTER your online claim started, then a week after you got your money. And there is your 2 weeks.

      You have been paid correctly, including your 2 week run off payment.
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      · 5 days ago
      @Bob Well you should have queried this You are entitled to a full month. They don't pay a few weeks.
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      · 6 days ago
      @Michael Thanks.
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      · 6 days ago
      @Bob You dont get anything backdated. UC is paid in arrears, and you will be paid a full month.
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      · 6 days ago
      @Anon No. You actually GAIN a weeks money. 2 further run off weeks paid from when you 1st claim UC, then after a 3 week wait, you are paid for a full month, as UC is paid in arrears.

      In effect, you get a week extra money. That's based on a 5 week timeline. Sometimes it can be 6. In which case, you don't lose or gain anything.
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    · 8 days ago
    I have just read MPs are getting a £2,500 pay rise, taking their pay up to £90,000 plus.  And expenses. WHen asked about this, Keir Starmer said this was up to an independent body and nothing to do with him.

    So the UK is struggling so financially they have to target people on welfare, the most vulnerable, giving vulnerable people a great deal of stress and benefit cut, leaving them impoverished.   At the same time, these Government members are quite happy to receive £2,500 pay rise.  This is beyond Tory now.... and extremely cruel/self serving plus getting away with it!  Unbelievable!
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      · 6 days ago
      @Jo I looked at the consultation and decided not to complete it as the questions asked were not always the right ones and phrased for the answers they might want or prefer 
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      · 6 days ago
      @Gazilla Only 16000 people responded to the consultation. While I get that it wasn't made easy to find it, nor advertised. Plus there are people who either aren't tech savvy or have the ability to complete things like that, there are a huge amount  that could have.
      I know too many people complain about the very unfair system and trust me, I have suffered too because of it. They could but choose not to speak up, simply because they can't be bothered, or the standard, theres no point. That really annoys me. We need to properly unite and stop them treating us as criminals!
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      · 7 days ago
      @axab43 The thing is , we complain about this outrage on forums like this (I'm as guilty as anyone) yet we don't do anything to let our displeasure be known 
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      · 8 days ago
      @axab43 'beyond Tory' - the new negative superlative.
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      · 8 days ago
      @axab43 There hard working tax payers
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    · 9 days ago
    The Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority (Ipsa) recommends £2,500 pay rise for UK MPs, raising a backbench MP’s salary from £91,346 to just under £94,000.

    Yet many of these MPs are itching to see the miserable benefits of sick and disabled people cut.

    Unfairness at its finest.
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      · 6 days ago
      @Scorpion IPSA is actually made up of former MP's.
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      · 8 days ago
      @Scorpion It's numbers - there are 650;MP's; there are millions on benefits. But it looks very bad when MP's get big pay rises, and yet the standard of politicians is woeful
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      · 8 days ago
      @Scorpion I have just said this above as I didn't see your post.  Unbelievable
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    · 9 days ago
    Once you have opened the account leave a message in the journal that you're migration from ESA Support Group or WCA you have an entitlement to UC LCWRA or WCA and do not need to supply fit notes under Regulation 19 of UC

    Regulation 19 of the Universal Credit (Transitional Provisions) Regulations 2014 determines when a claimant may be considered to have limited capability for work. This regulation applies when a claimant is awarded Universal Credit and was previously entitled to old style ESA.

    Be lucky all ✌️
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      · 6 days ago
      @Jace Thank you. I was about to search for the legislation.
      I haven't had my mm letter yet. I just want it over and done with. The constant worry has made my conditions worse. I'm prepared for the battle though. Last time they almost destroyed me. Never again!
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    · 9 days ago
    Can I just stress this again, for anyone on here who has been off sick due to severe depression and anxiety or other mental illness.  If you listen to the Government, you now doubt will be extremely scared right now as it feels like they are "coming after us." The Government seem oblivious to the fact there is a difference to the effect mild to moderate depression has and severe depression (though even mild to moderate depression can be really debilitating. Each person is unique)  The Government don't even seem to know what depression/anxiety really is or what it involves. 

    Get a Citizens Advice Bureaux Welfare Officer to fill the WCA form in for you as they are trained to know the loopholes and traps the Government set to try and get people to fail the assessment.  (And probably more traps are coming.)  They can make such a difference. 

    When depression/anxiety can actually kill, it is very serious illness indeed and the Government can't just dismiss it through their prejudiced and idiotic put downs they continually come out with,  as if it is about as serious as having the common cold!

    And it is also worth looking through these threads to the comments that list how long all this is going to take.  Could be years until it gets to us, when depression will make you so fearful it feels like it is going to happen tomorrow.
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      · 6 days ago
      @Charger 7 I'm sorry about your friend.   Mental illness is very serious.  It is even being covered on programmes such as Eastenders now (one of the characters is going through serious mental health issues.)  With the number of people watching this soap, that has to send out a message that mental illness cannot be dismissed as easily as some in this Government would like to do!
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      · 6 days ago
      @O Thank you!  I'm glad my thoughts helped you.
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      · 7 days ago
      @axab43 Yes depression comes in all different forms a friend of mine killed himself 23 year old nobody saw it coming he was always great round his friends everyone was in shock just goes to show you can never tell when people are at there lowest so these reforms they are planning needs at least to be not forced upon give people a chance and let them go back to benefits if things don't work out it's dangerous practice stripping people of there money just to balance the books there needs to be proper support in place sanctioning people with these problems could end up backfiring big style 
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      · 7 days ago
      @axab43 thanks axab, what you wrote relates to me.     nice to see someone els put my feelings inot words .         
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