The DWP is to begin continuous surveillance of the bank accounts of all pension credit, universal credit and employment and support allowance claimants using powers under a bill currently going through Parliament.  The department have said that they intend to use their new power to force any third party to pass on data to them more widely in the future.

The power to compel third parties into providing any data that the DWP wants in order to search for fraud and error is being conferred in last minute amendments slipped into the Data Protection and Digital Information Bill, which has now passed its third reading in the Commons and moved to the Lords.

Initially the DWP say that they will use their powers to oblige the UK’s top 15 banks to monitor the accounts of all means-tested benefits claimants and report every time an account goes over the  capital limit or is used abroad for more than four weeks.

Because every DWP payment into a bank account has an identifying code attached to it, all banks know exactly which of their customers is on benefits and which benefits they receive.

Setting up software to automatically send details to the DWP of every claimant account that goes over the capital limit or is used abroad for more than four weeks will be very straightforward for banks.

The DWP say that each identified claim will be investigated in the normal way and that penalties will not be automatically imposed.

At the moment, almost 9 million claimants would be caught in the surveillance net, including:

  • 5.8 million universal credit claimants
  • 1.6 million employment and support allowance claimants
  • 1.4 million pension credit claimants

Any bank failing to collect and pass on data to the DWP will be subject to heavy fines.

 The new system will begin to be rolled out in 2025, though all banks may not be fully involved before 2030.

The DWP estimates that it will cost around £30 million a year for them to investigate potential fraud identified by the new system, but that they will save £500 million a year through reduced fraud and error.  

They also estimate that over the first ten years, the new powers will result in 74,000 prosecution cases and 2,500 custodial sentences.  

There is no doubt that the DWP intend to use these new powers much more widely.  The impact assessment for the new powers says that:

“The power is not limited to a specific type of data or type of institution/Third-Party to allow us to fight new fraud and error issues as they emerge and engage with new institutions as efficient opportunities become available to us.”

Later, the same document says: 

“This measure is drafted broadly . . .  to enable DWP to apply this measure to non-financial organisations in future if it is deemed appropriate and proportionate”

The new surveillance powers for the DWP appear to enjoy cross party support. Only 51 MPs voted against the amendment, with 30 of those being SNP and just 7 each from Labour and the Lib Dems.

Anyone who imagines that the DWP will use such sweeping powers reasonably and proportionately probably hasn’t ever claimed benefits.

And they probably also don’t remember the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act, which was brought in to combat terrorism and organised crime and ended up being used to spy on dog walkers, pigeon feeders and people putting out their wheelie bins too early.

Capital and abroad fraud account for less than 15% of benefits fraud and error. The DWP will want to delve into many other aspects of claimants lives in order to identify the other 85%.  This is, beyond doubt, the thin end of a very thick wedge.

You can download a copy of the amendments to the Data Protection and Digital information Bill here.  The Power To Require Information For Social Security Purposes section begins on page 98.

You can read the impact assessment for the DWP surveillance powers here.

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      · 1 years ago
      @denby I have Parkinson’s disease, our main income is pip and a small works pension below £400 . We claim no other benefits due to the fact I’m over the savings cap . I received pension early due to poor health.Frightened to even gift my granchildren for being accused of being frivolous instead of frugal .
      So fearful of an unsure future 
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      · 1 years ago
      @denby I have just signed 
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      · 1 years ago
      @vik222 Come on guys, let' get this to 100,000 as then they have to at least debate it. so far still under 2,000....
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    · 1 years ago
    This is 'Trojan Horse's legislation. It uses the problem of benefit fraud to gain public approval for legislation that they intend to later expand. Getting their fingers into everyone's bank account has always been their objective.
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      · 1 years ago
      @Mandz Indeed, they know its a divisive issue and at the moment people hate benefit claiments, so they will have support, but it will affect 90 percent population in the end, next it will be powers to prosecute
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      · 1 years ago
      @Neil It affects better off people too, who collect state pension, it could be detrimental to banking trade, they can just move their money offshore easily, it's not just about the workshy
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      · 1 years ago
      @Mandz Everyone should now just close bank accounts and demand a jiro cheque to cash at post office , and work with good old.fashioned cash
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    · 1 years ago
    This is scary. 
    I believe they will use it retrospectively. 
    claimants not being hyper 
    I also wonder how long before they find a reason to look at everyone's accounts - only then will people notice & complain & it will be to late.
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    · 1 years ago
    I believe the new powers will allow them to look at accounts retrospectively, meaning they can look back years
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    · 1 years ago
    What is freedom today the Government living in your life from cradle to beyond the grave. I do feel for the future generations as they're taping and pinging their lives as state controlled generations with the system dictating everything they can do say' buy or go. It's the kids who need to learn to not be reliant on tech and cashless lifestyle it will imprison them with stealth. 
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      · 1 years ago
      @Jas It's about equality and civil liberties, the won't catch the hard line fraudsters anyway, it's just an excuse to bring in big powers
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    · 1 years ago
    Could this also be a breach of article 3 of the ECHR which prohibits inhuman and degrading treatment from any signatory govt.
    Also is there any other European government which uses such surveillance methods on their own citizens
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    · 1 years ago
    Could constant/regular surveillance be a breach of data laws and human rights laws e.g right to privacy?
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      · 1 years ago
      @Worsethanchina&russia What privacy?  You have a PHONE. Tracked... Friends, Travel, Health, Beliefs, Work etc. And that is just your phone...... your on camera everywhere from when you leave home. ???
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      · 1 years ago
      @Inglis 25 And you are correct and it’s not just here it’s all over the world we have very sinister people in charge
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      · 1 years ago
      @Worsethanchina&russia They change laws at will, therefore if the Lords agree with the Governments plans they can go ahead. I believe they are trying to do away with all of our human rights.
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    · 1 years ago
    This is incredibly scary 
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    · 1 years ago
    Big Brother Watch are writing about this subject and how the benefit system is becoming a panopticon for the disabled.  They have sent me an e book about the state of surveillance but I cant copy the link.  It was part written by a manchester representative for the disabled.  Big brother watch is well worth supporting as they oppose all this stuff.  CBDCs, spy cameras covering the uk etc.  
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    · 1 years ago
    Thank you to all those people who have signed the petition. I am attaching the link again for those people who haven’t yet seen it.  It would appear that the politicians have forgotten that we, the public, employ them, we are not under contract with them, they are under contract to us. They have no right to infringe our Rights, discriminate against us or assume that we are all of dubious character and employed in fraudulent activities. 


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      · 1 years ago
      @Emma On Parliament website, search, regular checking of bank accounts 
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      · 1 years ago
      @Emma Try Googling organise as it wont let me post a link.  I’ve also put a link under our forum headed dwp snooping on bank accounts
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      · 1 years ago
      @Wendy Scott Signed also sign the Organise petition which has over 50,000 signatures about this
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      · 1 years ago
      @Wendy Scott couldn't find this petition online other than your comment.
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      · 1 years ago
      @Wendy Scott Thank you Wendy..signed ... hopefully everyone here sees this and sign too...we need all the help and support from one another...👍
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    · 1 years ago
    Thus has been going on for years. I know a man who trains the dwp to access banks of claimants thus is over 14 years. Disgusting. Finances and health should be PRIVATE .
    I keep my money in a safe and avoid the banks like the plague. 
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      · 1 years ago
      @Rea Yes but the difference is they need legal clearance to use it this will mean they dont and can randomly snoop on you.
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    · 1 years ago
    Can anyone list the banks involved as I assume using Chase or whoever who are outwith the normal reach of the courts/parliament will circumvent this legislation 
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    · 1 years ago
    The house of lords are pretty decent people compared to the commons.

    There's no way this is getting through, although they can't completely stop a bill they can make life hard for the commons to the point it's watered right down to basically ve worthless anyway.
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    · 1 years ago
    A group called Organise are running a petition about this and asking for people to write to their mps.  Thousands have already written to them but dont rely on other people get active and push back on them.  This is an outrageous over reach by govt. with very little consultation to justify it.  They are trying to sneak this through on the QT.  As Stephen Timms said in parliament why do they also need the details of thousands of pensioners?  Remind people that this wont stop at the disabled govt want to snoop on all of us and for what purpose?   Sign the petition and write to your MP.  They hope to get this through without much fuss.  Dont let them get away with it!
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    · 1 years ago
    This is crossing the line. How do we stop it? 
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      · 1 years ago
      @Chocolady thank you chocolady I need to hear this to combat depression around it
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      · 1 years ago
      @MrFibro Of course you can thousands pushed back on digital ids and marched and they weren’t brought in during covid.  They will keep trying but they just want to see how much push back they get.  We are the many they are the few remember.  Every little act is huge when added together.
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      · 1 years ago
      @Anneee Annneee,

      You can't only if it's out voted in the commons and, or the house of farts.  Or if a new Government gets in @ the next GE.  Saying that all parties, they all hate sick, ill, disabled people.

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      · 1 years ago
      @Anneee Use a bank they don't have access to search accounts apparently its 15 of the top UK banks. I'm sure they will be other banks that are not playing ball 
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    · 1 years ago
    This needs to be stopped there discriminating people on benefits 
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    · 1 years ago
    This is an obvious breach of human rights that is my and all others to privacy if this goes ahead I want the right to have checked every mp and Lord in this country for their interests when being lobbied so we can weed out the fraudsters in government also their interests in all  deals at home and abroad 
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      · 1 years ago
      @Chris They had to shut down the department that looked at mps expenses as they were so aggressive when questioned.  Arrogance off the charts 
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      · 1 years ago
      @Chris Totally agree, but we know it will never happen as their accounts are overseas 
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    · 1 years ago
    So what about all the tax fraud committed by the richest 10% which accounts for a lot more money and fraud than any benefits fraud, but this is acceptable by the government as most of them use loop holes created by them to help them avoid taxes. But as always its the hardest hit that pay the price, I am not saying that every claim is legal or correct but the tax dodgers far outweigh them, but nothing is or ever will be done.  
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      · 1 years ago
      @K And for those on benefits who are protected by the Equality Act 2010 on the grounds of a protected characteristic such as disability then I imagine there will be quite a few successful discrimination claims. And rightly so because this really does amount to discrimination.
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      · 1 years ago
      @Justin B Totally agree with you it's discrimination against people on benefits 
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    · 1 years ago
    My PIP and today’s payment of winter fuel allowance will have pushed my savings account above the limit for pension credit. I do not leave excess in my current account as every tiny amant of interest is valuable. Someone looking at my account today would say I was above the limit next week I have nearly £1000 in bills to pay out of this money which will take me below the limit again. I suspect a lot of individual save over the month and pay their bills at the end   Most of us will use a savings account to do this. The DWP monitoring this would be taking money and then giving it back. The amount of  pointlessly wasted time and paperwork wouldn’t justify the amounts paid into the treasury. I hope there is going to be some sanity guidelines when this comes into force. 
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    · 1 years ago
    I get pension credit. I do not have a problem with DWP confirming my savings. I have 2 concerns I am a nominated Administrator for a dead persons estate. I am required by law to keep safe the sums that have refused by first line recipients. I have to do this for 7 years until I can distribute to the next level of beneficiaries. These monies have to be kept in a bank account, preferably attracting some interest otherwise I would be considered negligent. I can supply documents providing the current status of my accounts and of my position as an Administrator. There would be no need for DWP to deal with the bank directly as the information I can supply would be a complete picture. My second concern is regarding DWP making a decision on information gathered direct from my bank and assuming that all the monies held in the account was mine to spend.
    If recipients of benefits refuse to provide proof of savings then there is justification for a direct approach to their bank. As always my concern is the level of skill of the individuals reviewing these accounts and the context that cause people to declare savings that are different to the amounts held in accounts.
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      · 1 years ago
      @DragonWolf That persons estate should not have anything to do with your p
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      · 1 years ago
      @DragonWolf I would get a couple of opinions on your situation and not declare anything yet.  Try the Citizens advice or similar.   If the bank account is in the deceased person's name and not your own I don't think it should be a problem.
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