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11 years 3 months ago - 11 years 3 months ago #117812 by MariW
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What does “to follow a journey” mean? Does it mean to “follow a route”? Is the length of a journey or route defined?
I assume that “planning” and “following” are considered two different activities. The question related to both physical and mental health. Therefore, it could be that a claimant could tick two (or more) boxes and provide details and evidence to support their choice. Ought a claimant tick all boxes that are relevant to him/her or only the box that would provide most point if accepted. If the latter than, presumably, health issues relevant to lower-scoring options ought to be detailed in the answer?
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Mari W
I assume that “planning” and “following” are considered two different activities. The question related to both physical and mental health. Therefore, it could be that a claimant could tick two (or more) boxes and provide details and evidence to support their choice. Ought a claimant tick all boxes that are relevant to him/her or only the box that would provide most point if accepted. If the latter than, presumably, health issues relevant to lower-scoring options ought to be detailed in the answer?
Thanks,
Mari W
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11 years 3 months ago - 11 years 3 months ago #117818 by Gordon
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The planning of a route and the execution of it are two separate things. I am not aware of any definition of what a route comprises of or the length.
Have a look at the latest PIP Claim guide these issues are covered on pages 51 onwards.
www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/help-for-claimants/pip
As to the tick boxes.
Yes - you are always affected
No - you are never affected
Sometimes - sometimes you are able to and sometimes you are not. You need to explain the variance, the circumstances and the frequency, for "sometimes" to score you need to meet the requirement more than 50% of the time.
If you do not feel that the tick boxes properly describe how you are affected then do not use them, mark the form "see below" and explain in the comments box or attached pages as necessary.
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The planning of a route and the execution of it are two separate things. I am not aware of any definition of what a route comprises of or the length.
Have a look at the latest PIP Claim guide these issues are covered on pages 51 onwards.
www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/help-for-claimants/pip
As to the tick boxes.
Yes - you are always affected
No - you are never affected
Sometimes - sometimes you are able to and sometimes you are not. You need to explain the variance, the circumstances and the frequency, for "sometimes" to score you need to meet the requirement more than 50% of the time.
If you do not feel that the tick boxes properly describe how you are affected then do not use them, mark the form "see below" and explain in the comments box or attached pages as necessary.
Gordon
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11 years 3 months ago - 11 years 3 months ago #117825 by MariW
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Thanks, Gordon, but what if more than one tick box is an accurate description? The questions on the B & W self-score test do not only relate to degreees of limation but different limitations. For example, the same claimant might tick both:
11 b. Needs prompting to be able to undertake any journey to avoid overwhelming psychological distress to the claimant an score 4 points because of agoraphobia
AND
11 f. Cannot follow the route of a familiar journey without another person, an assistance dog or an orientation aid score 12 points because he has MS or is blind
Another claimant could tick:
11 c. Cannot plan the route of a journey and score 8 points because of severe learning difficulties
AND
11 d. Cannot follow the route of an unfamiliar journey without another person, assistance dog or orientation aid and score 10 points because she has learning difficulties
AND
11 e. Cannot undertake any journey because it would cause overwhelming psychological distress to the claimant and score 10 points because she has panic attacks.
I hope that explains my point.
Mari
11 b. Needs prompting to be able to undertake any journey to avoid overwhelming psychological distress to the claimant an score 4 points because of agoraphobia
AND
11 f. Cannot follow the route of a familiar journey without another person, an assistance dog or an orientation aid score 12 points because he has MS or is blind
Another claimant could tick:
11 c. Cannot plan the route of a journey and score 8 points because of severe learning difficulties
AND
11 d. Cannot follow the route of an unfamiliar journey without another person, assistance dog or orientation aid and score 10 points because she has learning difficulties
AND
11 e. Cannot undertake any journey because it would cause overwhelming psychological distress to the claimant and score 10 points because she has panic attacks.
I hope that explains my point.
Mari
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These are all separate questions, so you need to answer each one as it applies to you, including the tick boxes as applicable.
If you only answer the one with the most points then it will be assumed that you have no problems in regard to the other questions and if the Decision Maker does not agree with you then you will score no points, whereas if you complete them all, then the DM may not agree that you meet the highest scoring one, but may agree that you meet one with a lower score.
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These are all separate questions, so you need to answer each one as it applies to you, including the tick boxes as applicable.
If you only answer the one with the most points then it will be assumed that you have no problems in regard to the other questions and if the Decision Maker does not agree with you then you will score no points, whereas if you complete them all, then the DM may not agree that you meet the highest scoring one, but may agree that you meet one with a lower score.
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11 years 2 months ago #117869 by MariW
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Thanks again, Gordon. 
That was exactly what I’ve been pondering and you’ve confirmed what I concluded is the only sensible approach- ticking all relevant boxes and supporting the options in a detailed answer.
Mari

That was exactly what I’ve been pondering and you’ve confirmed what I concluded is the only sensible approach- ticking all relevant boxes and supporting the options in a detailed answer.
Mari
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