With no more than 44 working days left, DWP disability minister Stephen Timms told MPs during a Westminster Hall debate last week that the Timms review is only just working out how to involve outside agencies in its work.  He also confirmed again that the work capability assessment (WCA) is definitely being abolished, which suggests that the steering group will have to incorporate elements of the WCA into their deliberations

Timms told MPs that the WCA would be abolished after the review has concluded:

“In future, eligibility for additional health-related financial support in universal credit will be assessed in England and Wales via the personal independence payment assessment. It will be based on the impact of disability on daily living, rather than on capacity to work. . . Due to its link with the PIP assessment, the WCA abolition will not proceed until after the conclusion of the review into PIP that I am currently co-chairing.”

He also gave an update on what the Timms review steering group are doing:

“We are going to have a full day together tomorrow, considering how to secure external input to our consideration of how the system should work in the future. The review’s recommendations will be submitted to the Secretary of State in the autumn.”

There is a maximum of nine months before the review is completed, with the steering group not only having to consider PIP eligibility, but also the potentially vast complexities of how PIP assessments will interact with the UC health element.

One example of the complexities is how people with short-term conditions, such as cancer treatment or  pregnancy issues, will be able to access the UC heath element whilst unable to work.

Another is the question of how people who may be a substantial risk to themselves or other people if found capable of work will access financial support.   If these issues are not to be dealt with by the new PIP system, then it’s hard to see how some sort of WCA will not still be required.

Yet, the steering group is only just at the stage of working out how to involve outside bodies or individuals in the process and has, we suspect, not even begun the work of redesigning PIP.

If the steering group is to report by the end of November at the latest, working just five days a month, we calculate they now have no more than 44 days to get the job done.

That may not be impossible to do, but it probably is impossible to do well.

You can read the record of the Westminster Hall debate on WCA timescales here.

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    · 13 hours ago
    "One example of the complexities is how people with short-term conditions, such as cancer treatment or pregnancy issues, will be able to access the UC heath element whilst unable to work.

    Another is the question of how people who may be a substantial risk to themselves or other people if found capable of work will access financial support."

    I have no more information or knowledge of what will happen than any other random person on the internet but I think the article is being optimistic. Being pessimistic I expect people not eligible for PIP daily living component will not get UC health.

    I expect people unable to work due to pregnancy complications or cancer treatment or substantial risk will just get the new time limited contributions based unemployment benefit which is paid at the same rate as the current ESA support group. Or if they do not have the recent NI contributions to qualify they will get UC if they met the means testing. And if they do not get PIP daily living it will be just UC with no health element.

    I expect DWP work coach guidance will be to treat them the same as hospital inpatients that is do not require them to do anything. For those qualify for substantial risk due to mental health I also fear this no conditionality could be restricted to just people who have recently been discharged from psychiatric hospitals and are under specialist care of psychiatrists or who are under the care of a mental health crisis team. That is those not on PIP daily living and not in recovery or in crisis would be assumed to be stable and subject to the expectation of moving towards or into work with UC conditionality and sanctions regime at the discretion of the DWP work coach.
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    · 14 hours ago
    I believe that PIP will be used to assess your ability to work.
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      · 12 hours ago
      @Kevin1342 The plan is for only those in the severe conditions criteria group to be viewed as not able to work. That is the most severely disabled for life who are never expected to be able to work.

      Those on PIP and UC health will be viewed as being work capable but having substantial barriers to employability. New claimants in this group will get a significantly less money than pre-existing claimants, on the justification that giving them more is a perverse disincentive to getting a job. Those in this group will be required to attend and take part in support conversations about their aspiration to work and listen what advice and help the DWP can provide them with towards that aspiration. Taking up the advice and help will be voluntary. But, the conditionality regime for those on PIP and UC health will be reviewed in future if too few take up the voluntary advice and offers of help towards and into work.

      Those who are ill or disabled who do not qualify for PIP daily living will be viewed as being work capable ill or disabled unemployed. They will just get UC with no health element. And will be at the mercy of work coaches who can require them to engage in any actions they think will help them towards and into work. The focus at first will be on any claimant who thinks they could work with advice or help, and all new claimants, and younger people to stop them being abandoned to and settling into a life on benefits.

      The government seems to view only a tiny percentage of the ill and disabled as genuinely deserving of non conditional support. And seems to view the rest as using illness or disability as an excuse to not take personal responsibility for their lives and get a job.

      The government is going to cause mass poverty, deteriorating health and deaths. 
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      · 13 hours ago
      @Kevin1342 PIP is not an out of work benefit, so the PIP assessment is not an incapacity for work test. That means that if the revised PIP assessment is to be used to assess capacity for work, it will effectively have to incorporate at least some elements of the WCA, or some version of it.
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    · 19 hours ago
    "If these issues are not to be dealt with by the new PIP system, then it’s hard to see how some sort of WCA will not still be required."

    Indeed - there will always be people who can't work, but how do you prove you're incapable of working if the system includes no incapacity for work test?

    Having been thumped by the Greens in the Gorton and Denton by-election, it's absolutely vital that Labour gets a similar drubbing from parties to their left in the May elections. Such an outcome greatly increases the chance of Starmer being ousted, which is the only possible way that the current trajectory on benefits policy could change. If Starmer goes, the likes of McFadden could be out too, depending on who the new leader is. As long as Starmer is in place, McFadden and co will stay put. Hopefully in May they will lose to the SNP in Scotland, Plaid Cymru in Wales, and also lose a load of seats to the Greens in England. That would cause utter panic in the PLP.
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    · 20 hours ago
    I strongly suspect that we are gonna be screwed
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      · 14 hours ago
      @Neil @Neil ok Neil have a beer or an orange juice and enjoy the World Cup tintack could be right Starmer could be ousted after may election and all this abandoned it’s all a shambles anyway 
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      · 16 hours ago
      @James h Sorry to be a pessimist but at least it's something I'm good at 
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      · 18 hours ago
      @Neil @Neil i not saying nothing more now until know for sure going to enjoy my summer holidays instead of worrying still lots of issues to be resolved what’s happens to the 500,000 existing lcwra current claimants and when will that be cut off and how?also short term cancer and mental heath risk and linking pip to uc well that can take months to sort out and even longer if have to appeal and in the meantime will be subject to a demanding work coach and all the misery that’s comes with that