Follow our updates on the Spring budget and Health and Disability White Paper here when they are published on Wednesday 15 March and share your own views and insights.


WCA abolition and  new UC health element FAQs

We've published some UC health element FAQs here.  The most important takeaway at the moment is that it's likely to be - at the very least - 6 years before existing UC/ESA claimants are affected. 


 

When will changes happen?

They will be rolled out geographically for new claims first from 2026/27 to 2029.  Only then would existing claimants begin to be affected.  There will be some transitional protection for claimants who have LCWRA but do not get any element of PIP.

"The degree of change in our proposals will require primary legislation, which we would aim to take forward in a new Parliament when parliamentary time allows. These reforms would then be rolled out, to new claims only, on a staged, geographical basis from no earlier than 2026/27. We would expect the new claims roll-out to be completed within three years (so by 2029 at the earliest), when we would then begin to move the existing caseload on to the new system."


 

Full White Paper

The full white paper is here.  It may take a while to digest


New UC Health Element

The UC LCWRA element will be replaced with a new UC health element for claimants getting UC standard allowance and any PIP element.  Paid at same rate as LCWRA element.

"Landmark reforms to the benefits system will change the emphasis from what people can’t do, to what they can, by legislating to remove the Work Capability Assessment (WCA) so that in future there is only one health and disability assessment – the Personal Independent Payment (PIP) assessment.

"This will mean there will be no need to be found to have limited capability for work and limited capability to prepare for work to get additional income-related support for a disability or health condition – reducing the worry claimants currently experience that they will lose their benefits following a reassessment.

"We will replace the current Universal Credit Limited Capability for Work and Work Related Activity (LCWRA) financial top up with a new UC health element. This will be awarded to people who are receiving the UC standard allowance and any PIP element. The award rate of the new UC health element will be set equal to the current award to those people that have LCWRA, ensuring there is a safety net in place for the most vulnerable."


White paper published

The Health and Disability white paper is now online

Correction, it's not the whole white paper yet, just a factsheet giving the major changes.


 

Sanctions

"The next set of employment reforms affects those on universal credit without a health condition who are looking for work or on low earnings. There are more than 2 million jobseekers in this group, more than enough to fill every vacancy in the economy.  Independence is always better than dependence, which is why a Conservative government believes those who can work should.  So sanctions will be applied more rigorously to those who fail to meet strict work search requirements or choose not to take up a reasonable job offer.  And for those working low hours, we will increase the administrative earnings threshold from the equivalent of 15 hours to 18 hours at national living wage for an individual claimant.  Meaning that anyone working below this level will receive more work coach support alongside a more intensive conditionality regime."


Universal Support

"Today I’m going further than that by announcing that in England and Wales after listening to representations from the Centre for Social Justice and others we will fund a new programme called Universal Support.  This is a new voluntary employment scheme for disabled people where the government will spend up to £4,000 per person to help them find appropriate jobs and put in place the support they need. It will fund 50,000 places every single year."


 What the chancellor said

"I start with over 2 million people who are inactive due to a disability or long-term sickness  . . . we could fill half the vacancies in the economy with people who say they would like to work despite being inactive due to sickness or disability.

With Zoom , Teams and new working models that make it easier to work from home, this is possible now more than ever.  So for that reason the ever diligent work and pensions secretary today takes the next step in his groundbreaking work i9n tackling economic inactivity.  I thank him for that and today we publish a white paper on disability benefits reform.  It is the biggest change to our welfare system i9n a decade.

His plans will abolish the work capability assessment in Great Britain and separate benefit entitlement from an individual’s ability to work.  As a result, disabled benefit claimants will always be able to seek work without fear of losing financial support." 


WCA to be abolished

The chancellor has confirmed that the WCA will be abolished


 

Prepayment meters

Prepayment energy meter customers will have charges in line with direct debit customers in the future, rather than having to pay a premium.


Energy Price Guarantee

The Treasury has confirmed that the Energy Price Guarantee will be kept at £2,500 for an additional three months, from April to June. The government claims this will save the average household £160. It's a small improvement, but many are arguing it doesn't go nearly far enough in supporting people on low incomes with their energy bills.


What we're expecting

From the information that has been put out by the Treasury so far, the main issues that we will be looking out for are:

The abolition of the work capability assessment (WCA).

An increase in the severity of the sanctions regime.

Sanctions being issued automatically by DWP software.

The potential abolition of the WCA raises a huge number of questions about how it will be decided whether claimants with health conditions will be subject to the sanctions regime and whether and how they will be assessed for any additional payment because of their health condition or disability.  We hope the white paper will have some of the answers.

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    · 1 years ago
    The white paper is here https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/spring-budget-2023-disability-white-paper-factsheet/spring-budget-2023-factsheet-disability-white-paper#how-will-the-new-universal-credit-health-element-work

    A few thoughts

    Ok only one assessment but a big risk if that goes wrong.

    More bad news for disabled claimants. Looks to me that if you don’t get pip, you are going to lose out on esa/ uc  going forward, and it will effectively  be like unemployment benefit, albeit with transitional protection.

    In general the criteria for pip is higher than for esa/uc so likely less will qualify anyway

    Detail not worked out about migration, so devil in detail regarding the amounts of this ‘health element’. Remember there a number of legacy enhancements such as severe disability premiums in esa, looks like they could be transitionally protected, but will wane over time.

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    · 1 years ago
    My speculation based on this revealing.

    PIP passport to UC health top up, great for PIP claimants, but also means if you get disqualified for PIP it loses everything.  No deferrals on PIP also, in law its not a ongoing benefit.

    For people who dont get PIP, they seem to have financial transitional protection, but does it protect their no obligation to look for work?  Gradually removed via inflation.

    The same paragraph mentions working with work coaches which suggests everyone will have some kind of obligation to at least do work related activity?

    The press have mentioned a fit for work assessment, not sure where they got that from, but potentially a way on without PIP.

    Sadly its the same easy target, there is going to be a fair amount of people caught up in this as I think there is a lot of people on ESA who dont get PIP.
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      · 1 years ago
      @chrysalis Totally agree. Using a single passport benefit is a risk for everyone - especially as there are reviews.  However for me the line:-

      'The same paragraph mentions working with work coaches which suggests everyone will have some kind of obligation to at least do work related activity?'

      is the most disturbing as it also brings in the potential for sanctions for people who are least able to do such activity.
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    · 1 years ago
    some people are disabled from mental health problems and unable to work and actually may not be able to claim pip. thats a BIG problem.
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      · 1 years ago
      @bobtehbuilder They will have to change the pip criteria  to add in many other conditions  that are non MSK or psychological, like autoimmune disorders
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    · 1 years ago
    So can someone PLEASE tell me if a 64 year old (getting state pension in 17 months) in ESA support group (not had any assessments for several years) will be affected by this? I am out of my mind with worry. I only work a few hours a week (due to my own health problems) and if we lose the ESA we lose HB and CTB, so we will be homeless at the ages of 64 and 55!! 😭😭😭
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      · 1 years ago
      @Clare Stubbs Clare, a couple of things:-

      make sure you apply for PIP  (if you haven't already) before you reach retirement age. It can be worth quite a lot of money and you can't apply for it for the first time after reaching pension age. They make you apply for Attendance Allowance, which pays a lot less, instead. If you are in receipt of PIP when you get to that age then you can continue to claim it and have reviews as normal.

      On receipt of your pension you can still claim various low income benefits, including pension credit, HB and CTB, but I know its a bit more complicated if your partner is younger and not yet of pension age and it depends on when you started receiving your previous benefits.  Age UK online have a lot of info on all these technical issues and age related benefits. 

      I do not think you will be affected badly over the next seventeen months. If you do happen to get transitioned to universal credit in that time the system as it stands is that those in ESA support group automatically get the health allowance on UC and do not have a work capability assessment or have to look for work. Any new rules that might affect any of that will take time to come in. Longer than seventeen months. Its also perfectly possible that you won't get transitioned at all in the seventeen months and will just continue to get your ESA, HB and CTB as usual. Either way should be okay.





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      · 1 years ago
      @ClaireLO I'm on ESA in support group not universal credit if they are axing the work capability assessment process what will replace it and how long will that take I'm confused 
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      · 1 years ago
      @Clare Stubbs I dont think you will be affected. It says at top of this page under 'when will changes happen' title...
      "The degree of change in our proposals will require primary legislation, which we would aim to take forward in a new Parliament when parliamentary time allows. These reforms would then be rolled out, to new claims only, on a staged, geographical basis from no earlier than 2026/27. We would expect the new claims roll-out to be completed within three years (so by 2029 at the earliest), when we would then begin to move the existing caseload on to the new system."

      So if you're going to be retired before 2026 it cant affect you - i dont *think*

      thats the only bit of all this i have understood so far - that it wont affect existing claimants until 2029 at earliest, according to their plans

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      · 1 years ago
      @Clare Stubbs I don't have enough understanding re ESA regarding this, only UC, but am certain someone on here will be able to help you with this soon-it is terrible the uncertainty this is causing. 
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    · 1 years ago
    another attack on the disabled. that white paper is full of bad news. all they had to do was allow those claiming lcw or lcwra to do a little job or self employment without benefits being affected or being affected as much as currently.
    instead they abolish both groups and everyone would have to make a pip claim to get the replacement health addon and then they apply conditionality (and probably sanctions) to force claimants into work or work related activity.

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    · 1 years ago
    Work based on what you can do? I have way too many physical and mentally health problems- this is pushing me to the edge. I have not worked since early 90’s am in my 50’s now. I can’t do anything if they ask me what can I do. If they scrap medicals how do they assess your health none of this makes sense. Read somewhere it states voluntarily. They have instilled deep anxiety and fear into me. I will not cope.
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      · 1 years ago
      @Gastuuuu
      I notice when Mr. Hunt talks about 'barriers' to work, he does not mention prejudice, stigma, or discrimination.  And, let's be honest..the moment the economy changes again (and it shifts alot!), it will be the sick and disabled that get the chop first. 

      On a more positive note, and to affirm the above post...six years, that's a long way away from here and now.
      We will probably all be gone from bird flu, climate change, or Putin long before then!

      I wonder if Mr. Sunak is having a celebratory swim this evening?
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      · 1 years ago
      @Angel Try not to worry this is going to take atleast 6years and even then things can rapidly change xo
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      · 1 years ago
      @Angel Berni i'm the exact same.  Absolutely terrified of the future . Am not able to cope was Medically retired 6 years ago. Disabled are penalised yet again 
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    · 1 years ago
    The WCA was awful but at least it was a way of avoiding having to deal with JCP 'decision makers' Now if you fail a PIP assessment which many of us do, there will nothing between us and some of the most untrained, target driven and let's face it, often sadistic people working at the DWP. It's completely terrifying and WILL end up killing people.
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      · 1 years ago
      @AW What will replace the WCA process that wasn't mentioned confusing 
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    · 1 years ago
    Abolition of the awful WCA is an interesting development - except for those who aren't on PIP as well as ESA or UC. The factsheet does cover this, just:
    " PIP will therefore act as a passporting benefit for this new UC health element. ... Any LCWRA recipients that move to the new system who do not receive PIP will receive transitional cash protection so no one experiences financial loss at the point at which the reform is enacted."
    That leaves me wondering how long the "transitional cash protection" will last.
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      · 1 years ago
      @Cemily Some work coaches might be kind others well I dread to think. A little power could go to their heads. If they want me to work I'll ask to train as a work coach I will be kind a d honest and fair
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      · 1 years ago
      @Cemily i might be wrong about that, i am not capable of understanding all this, i am too ill/cognitive difficulties. So ignore what i said. Best we wait for the B&W team to work it out, thats what i'm going to do anyway
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      · 1 years ago
      @DianaW Also it appears that everyone will have to have a work coach now, rather than the ESA support group acknowledging that some people couldnt look for work even if they wanted to.
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    · 1 years ago
    I suspect they are trying to get rid of severe disability component. Which they have sneakily done on forcefully migrating people to u/C from ESA, since although you get a "transitional payment" it will eventually be eroded away. Surprised no disabilities group challenged this is court, since now they have suspended forced migration there are people under the same circumstances being treated differently
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    · 1 years ago
    does that mean that the dreaded WCA is abolished from today? or will they keep ‘assessing’ people in the LCWRA group until it becomes legislation
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      · 1 years ago
      @Liz For those already on esa, it won’t come into effect until 2029 at the earliest x
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      · 1 years ago
      @Liz From what I've read on here, it's not rolling out til 2026 earliest, new claims only
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    · 1 years ago
    I took on the DWP, I learned about their rules, regulations and laws only to turn them against the DWP. I have no previous legal training and I could not afford a legal team and within two weeks of starvation. Nonetheless I was determined to prove my case and would never accept their misguided and life threatening judgements.

    I gathered masses of evidence about my condition, medications and side effects including the Professor of Endocrinology's assessment  of my disease and the way in which it affects my life.
    This kind of evidence simply cannot be questioned as there is no other person (other than God) that could challenge his opinion.

    Then I turned to where I could prove they had failed in their duty of care, and total disregard for the rules and regulations they are far too happy to push down our throats.

    I think accusing the DWP of attempted murder was food for thought for this appalling department. I did explain how I could prove intent, and that is vital.

    Look up Fiduciary! 
    It took me a while to find this but it is worth the hard work. There is much you will come to see how powerful this word truly is. This was included in my evidence and the points as to where Fiduciary duty had been completely overlooked.

    The Judge complimented me on the work I had done in preparing my case. He also asked If I was aware of what I (had) in my evidence? I did explain that I was well aware of the seriousness of my case, and where it could lead.

    I was in the courtroom for no longer than twelve minutes. At the end of the hearing, the judge said although his action was not the usual way in which the process is handled, he was going to contact the DWP whilst I was in his courtroom. He stood by his word and made direct contact with the DWP and ordered them to repay any and all missed payments and re-instate my payments with immediate effect.


    All in all, it was a perfect outcome for the work I had put into my case.   
    David can take on Goliath and win. Don't lose faith.


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      · 1 years ago
      @Mr Passmore  well done...., but dont foget many if not most people on ESA are actually far too ill to even read this page - hence not being well enough to work. They are not capable, by dint of their conditions, of advocating for themselves in that way, or doing the work needed.

      well done though. 
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      · 1 years ago
      @Mr Passmore Good on you this is exactly how I operate. I trained as a welfare benefits specialist in 2014 and since my partner's stroke in 2021 have had to call on legislation, challenge the DWP on wrong information and goodness knows what else. What frightens me is people who can't access help and support, particularly if a MH condition affects them doing so. It's always a fight.
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      · 1 years ago
      @Mr Passmore Brilliant thank you very much appreciated 
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    · 1 years ago
    I dont understand whats going to happen and the anxiety because they dont explain properly is ramping up my distress so i cant function. All they're interested in is telling everyone how 'wonderful' its all going to be, leaving those of us who will be affected by it anxiously in the dark it is really exacerbating my condition am terrified of DWP at best of times.
    Been on CB ESA in the SG since 2012, supposed to be reassessed every 2 yrs but had no reassessment since 2016, keeps getting deferred by 2 yrs. Just been awarded 'ongoing'/10yr enhanced PIP, so hoping that might count for something? its torment not knowing how this will affect me, and all of us. 
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      · 1 years ago
      @Clare I agree with Clare. Looking at the summary B&W have put together you should be ok
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      · 1 years ago
      @Cemily I think that the fact that you have been awarded ten years of PIP means that basically you have the proof of disability you will need for any change they make and will be protected. Its clear sanctions only apply to those without a health condition and that the new disabled work scheme is voluntary. Any time they mention changing the system we all know that may mean more difficulties for us all and it is terrifying! But it will take a while for the white paper to go through all the processes and there will be time for organisations (or individuals!) to protest about things in it. Nothing will change immediately so far as I can see. I think you will probably be fine given the long term PIP award and hopefully no need to worry too much. X
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    · 1 years ago
    What does this mean for people or either legacy benefit ESA or new style ESA?
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      · 1 years ago
      @chrysalis They re assessed many on IB  for ESA , needless to say many no longer met the Criteria
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      · 1 years ago
      @Ali Change only applies to UC, so I expect nothing until they get migrated.

      I would also be surprised at this point if anyone gets reassessed unless reporting a change of circumstances, when IB to ESA happened they seemed to stop all PCA.
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      · 1 years ago
      @Ali According to the factsheet:
      "Any LCWRA recipients that move to the new system who do not receive PIP will receive transitional cash protection so no one experiences financial loss at the point at which the reform is enacted."
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      · 1 years ago
      @Ali Looks like nothing will change for a while and any changes will begin to be applied from the earliest 2024 to new claimants. The white paper may contain more details on legacy benefits. He only really mentioned UC today as you know but I guess they are planning to continue transitioning people from ESA to Universal Credit as before but without any requirement to do a WCA. Looks like they will use PIP as the main passport/proof of disability benefit. I was transitioned from ESA SG to UC with no requirement for a WCA last year and so no change there for anyone in the support group. 
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    · 1 years ago
    These people lack empathy or moral compasses, the very fact that another human being could inflict suffering by way of sanction on another human as got to be a breach of human rights ? I sometimes look at these politicians and wonder “are they human” 
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    · 1 years ago
    Frightening for people like me who at 58 and suffering from chronic health conditions that include hands and feet that bleed (palmer planter psoriasis &Psoriatic arthritis) who would want to employ someone who has open wounds that bleed, I am on a biological drug that lowers my immunity so am still effectively shielding, we are the forgotten people. I know I would not be able to hold a job, some days I can barely walk at all, this. Wes is just so scary for many of us isn't it. I worked my whole adult life apart from small breaks when I had my children. I was made redundant when I became ill, no one wanted to employ me once they knew I had health issues and who can blame them? The budget should have been supporting young people into work. 
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      · 1 years ago
      @Kim They don't focus on those with autoimmune disorders  and gastro conditions that would prevent you from working
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    · 1 years ago
    How are they going to police this ? With the amount of people of PIP and ESA and cares allowance are they going to go through all the claimants of the DWP system. They need to get a grip it’s because of this government that our country is in such a mess. They’re not going to help the poor with extra help for their energy bills anymore, so the 67 pcm that was being paid is stopping so that’s 67pcm they’re going to have to find . Can’t wait for the general election so we can get this lot out.
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      · 1 years ago
      @Sam Potentially. But from what I have read so far, any changes have to go through legislation before they become law. No changes are immediate anyway. As for individual cases, the idea of working from home would vary greatly depending on personal circumstances. For example, I am a registered cater for my Partner. She suffers not only with long term chronic lower back pain, diverticulitis, IBS and scoliosis, she also suffers from borderline personality disorder, high levels of anxiety, stress, panic (including panic attacks), depression, suicidal thoughts, self harm and agoraphobia (social phobia in her case). She is frightened by knocks on the door and by any other unexpected noise such as the sudden ring of the phone. She needs peace and tranquility, to give her an escape from the war that goes on in her mind. Difficult to see how someone with similar conditions could reasonably be expected to ‘work from home’…
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      · 1 years ago
      @Sam Hope that is the intention. It really is impossible for many people to go into a traditional workspace. The main problem will be that many, many people just can't sustain or promise to sustain any sort of commitment to a job because of exhaustion and fluctuations in their conditions day to day. That's whether its at home or not. I hope they allow people who want to try to do some of their own self-employment from home which is easier to fit to disability rather than concentrate on these 'job vacancies'. I 
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      · 1 years ago
      @Anthea Who knows what the next lot will do though especially with a landslide victory which probably will happen. Unfortunately, they are all the same!! Does this mean disabled people will be able to work from home and still receive benefits? 
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    · 1 years ago
    Will people on PIP/ESA be forced to go into new assessments because of budget 2023, bit worrying..........
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    · 1 years ago
    From Richard Alfred Palmer I tried PIP Application Forms way before I got got my state Pension thank goodness those documents took me 48 hours to fill in 
    With some very searching questions and Private information of my life history and then posted off the old fashioned way so it took may one or two years ago to September very frustrating and finally I got an answer I was on cloud 9 at that moment until a BIG FAT NO as if they just flicked through it with complete and utter arrogance 
    So NEVER AGAIN EVEN disgusting 🤢 little people.
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      · 1 years ago
      @Richard Alfred Palmer That's exactly what they want, making as many lives as difficult as possible, and for people to not challenge them. you know you meet the criteria, apply again and fight all the way, use this site and the many wonderful people will help and support you. Don't give up
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      · 1 years ago
      @Richard Alfred Palmer I am so sorry you went through all this Richard. You shouldn't have been treated this way, but it is all too common. You should have sought the help of someone in advice work to ask for a reconsideration for you, and then if still refused you could then proceed to an appeal. It can be a log process, but they would help you through it. I am with my clients every step of the way, because I know what it is like to go through it myself, and have the knowledge and additional education to help people in this way.
      If you felt like you wanted to try again, and you say you are now past pension age, is that right? You could still apply for Attendance Allowance, which is slightly less daunting than the PIP application. Please do seek help though, don't go through it on your own. The Benefits and Work website is also very helpful with filling out the forms, but you can also get help with this at advice centres.
      If you would like to ask me anything further, please do.
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    · 1 years ago
    More persecution and draconian measures for the most vulnerable and least able to fight their corner. We are easy targets for these millionaires who have no clue what life is like, instead of targeting those who think they should have everything given to them on a plate without having to work for it and  know how to work the system!!!! 
    I wish some of these ministers etc would actually go through the entire process of applying for and live on the meagre benefits they are so keen to take away from us that might open their eyes!!!  
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      · 1 years ago
      @Fluffyowl I so agree! We say this every day in our house. These very rich MP's who have never known what it is like to struggle are telling people who do nothing but struggle every day of their lives in every way, that they don't need more money, and they haven't got a clue what it's like to have to apply for all these benefits which we have no choice about every day, and they should be made to live our lives for a week and fill out these forms, and then they would soon change their minds.

      Before judging a person, walk a day in our shoes! Well we see Rishi Sunak every day in his rich life and hear his rich persons opinions, he would not talk like he does if he had walked in our shoes. I have worked very hard, when I was able, until the job put me where I am today, in pain every day, unable to walk far, unable to do much, and have mutiple degenerative conditions, but I am well educated and knowledgable with a wealth of experience, so still help people when I can, despite my disabilities. That help is getting less and less, but it keeps my brain active when I am able, but I don't know from day to day if I can cope with an hour, a few hours or nothing, and because I do it voluntary, I decide what and how much I do.

      I so wish I could do more and was young and healthy again, but I'm not, so, Rishi Sunak, I have paid into the system and now I need help, like many others, and you make it so hard to get, and make us feel so guilty for being like we are, and taking that meagre help. Stop making ill and disabled people feel this way and help us.
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    · 1 years ago
    My wife is blind and been examined twice by DWP (PIP and ESA). Their classification of her sight was at the extreme end of worst (N48). She's in support ESA. Before blindness she obtained a PhD and worked in university and NHS clinical trials sector. I'm welcome to hear from DWP what kind of work they think she could do?
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      · 1 years ago
      @Stephen Hi I'm certain they can't won't expect your sweet lady to work ..would be absolutely insane wouldn't it if they did so ...

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