The Labour government will not be responding to the plan to replace PIP with vouchers, Stephen Timms has announced, in what appears to be the death knell for the proposal - at least for now.

Timms, minister for disability, was answering a question from Lib Dem MP Wendy Chamberlain who asked whether the DWP “plans to respond to the consultation entitled Modernising support for independent living: the health and disability green paper, which closed on 22 July 2024.”

Timms replied on 14 October:  “We do not intend to publish a response to the previous Government’s consultation. We will be considering our own plans for social security in due course and will fulfil our continued commitment to work with disabled people so that their views and voices are at the heart of all that we do.”

In response to a similar question from independent MP Alex Easton, Timms added that  “ We will be considering our own plans for social security in due course. As we develop proposals, we will consider the potential impacts of reform on disabled people.”

Whilst Labour have already said they would be producing their own proposals for social security, this is the first time they have confirmed that the Tory green paper is effectively dead.

This does not rule out the possibility that Labour could come up with similar ideas in the future, but it makes it much less likely.  It is very improbable that the government would decline to respond to a consultation on PIP vouchers and yet very soon afterwards unveil their own plan to introduce exactly the same thing.

Other proposals in the Tory green paper included replacing PIP with:

  • A catalogue/shop scheme
  • A receipt based system
  • One-off grants

The document also raised the possibility of changing the criteria for PIP by, for example,

  • removing the points for aids and appliances and for prompting,
  • removing some PIP activities
  • stopping claimants who get a lot of low scoring descriptors from being eligible.

It would be preferable if Labour would simply say outright that it has no plans to replace PIP cash payments with a voucher scheme.  But the party seems addicted to saying as little as possible about anything that concerns disabled claimants, instead preferring to leave people uncertain and distressed.

For the moment then, this seems the closest we are going to get to a denial. But there really does seem little likelihood that this month's budget or DWP white paper will contain a plan for PIP vouchers or for any of the other wholesale changes to PIP put forward by the Conservatives.

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    · 1 months ago
    Steven Timms is one of the few MPs I trust, he is one of the good guys. He has always been on the Claimant's side and he is a strong advocate for social justice. He is a man with a strong moral compass and stands between the vulnerable and the advocates of cuts. 
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      · 1 months ago
      @MJ My apologies for misunderstanding. I just thought I'd send it your way in case you were unaware. I completely get what you're saying. I personally don't buy into the means tested idea because it would heavily affect working PIP claimants and that would result in more disabled people not being able to work vs. less. Which is not what Labour wants, of course.

      However, like you say, they have promised reform so that's something we're going to have to brace ourselves for! 

      The smallest silver lining for the time being is that at least we won't have to live on love2shop vouchers or whatever kind of crazy alternative to money the Tories were planning on pursuing. 
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      · 1 months ago
      @Jon
      I don't understand how I'm being 'bold' when I also stated that I'm skeptical of what she's said due to things that have transpired since she gave that interview and that I'm also open to being corrected aka take what Reeves has said here with a grain of salt but whatever you say!

      I only provided the video because there's been zero news coverage on what she's said in it since the media have declared war on us since these proposals dropped and want to frighten us rather than provide any semblance of reassurance. Anybody is free to take it or leave it.
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      · 1 months ago
      @Mr Chen Chen Sorry was meant for Dods 
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      · 1 months ago
      @Dez That is a very bold statement
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      · 1 months ago
      @Dez My point was even if Timms is a good guy he's low down in the hierarchy. As for Reeves not being in favour of vouchers, I don't think many thought it was likely, the vouchers system was just a possibility. More probable is cuts or means tests. We will see in due course but they have said there will be changes, so therefore expect something. 
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    · 1 months ago
    My support worker just told me with total confidence that they are trialling a voucher scheme in my postcode, amongst three. I hope he’s wrong. 
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      · 1 months ago
      @Dez I sent him the many replies on here (everything anonymised). He changed his tune. Even if it were true, informing people with mental instability in a vague way like this is not right. Thanks. 
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      · 1 months ago
      @Dods * I still would take what a "PIP expert" at an housing agency has to say on PIP with a tiny grain of salt.

      It's also worth bringing up that DWP were asked if they would be making an 'assessment' on the potential impact of the vouchers proposal, only for Stephen Timms to turn around and basically say that the responses to the consultation provided enough depth for them to recognise the impact.

      In short: open and shut case. No need for a trial run.
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      · 1 months ago
      @Dods I still would take what a "PIP expert" at an housing agency has to say on PIP because he's neither an employee of DWP or a governmental insider, so where is he getting his information from? Sounds like you've been caught up in a chain of he said, she said.

      It's also rather convenient that he's also said none of this is public so there's nothing out there to disprove what he's saying.

      In short, he's full of it. I'm sure he's a nice guy at parties and what-not, but he sounds full of it. lol

      Anybody can claim to be a "PIP expert" and say they have access to sensitive information that only a "trusted few" (aka people who have no problem running their mouths like this bloke and your support worker) are privy to, including people who have been in the system for a very long time. It doesn't mean they know any more than the next person. 

      The government have outright said responses to it via the Green Paper have been consistently negative so why waste money doing a trial when they already know what the response is going to be? 

      My guess is that he's backing up his colleague so you don't lodge a complaint but he's also trying to play the best of both worlds and also 'reassure' you that what they're trialling won't be implemented. Which makes zero sense. If there's doubts over vouchers being implemented, it's very unlikely to go to trial. 

      And please note that none of my snark is directed at you. I'm very sorry you're having to worry about this. These people could do a whole lot of shutting up and just getting on with their jobs instead of speculating on things they actually know nothing about and sharing said speculation with clients instead of keeping it to the break room.
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      · 1 months ago
      @Kevin Sadly Kevin I don’t think he is. 
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      · 1 months ago
      @Anon I just spoke to someone else at the housing agency. He is an expert on PIP and indeed other benefits and has worked in the field for many years. I understand what you’re saying. However, this person would neither confirm nor deny, which suggests to me that a trial - which may involve a slow transit between PIP and a voucher scheme - is indeed going ahead in three postcodes, even if this has not been made public yet. He was sceptical about its chances of implementation. Don’t shoot the messenger. I’ll happily eat my words if this doesn’t happen. 
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    · 1 months ago
    This is why it was so important to put our views across on the consultation!! This proves that they have to listen to negative viewpoints of backed up with evidence from disabled people. You HAVE to speak out when given the chance. This obviously doesn’t mean that we won’t face challenges with any further proposals but this is a kick in the teeth for the dreaded ideas in the green paper! Don’t believe all the scare mongers.. how many sleepless nights have many of us had waiting for news about this??? Let’s take the win(which it is!) and work together to make Labour listen to the voice of disabled people in the future. ⭐️
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      · 1 months ago
      @jan I agree
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      · 1 months ago
      @Ellie The idea hasn’t been shelved. Nobody has said that. Only this site has chosen to interpret Timms’ statement as meaning that vouchers or a catalogue scheme are not happening. 
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      · 1 months ago
      @JC I put my anti-voucher views across in the consultation. I hope it helped in the shelving of the idea. Pity more people didn't. 
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      · 1 months ago
      @JC But they haven't said what there going to do still.I think it will be to make it means tested.
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    · 1 months ago
    It's possible labour are waiting until the winter fuel allowance, and other storm blows over.  In the hope things will calm down with joe public.  And in the meantime labour may cook up some other ways of cutting down on PIP.

    We will all just have to wait and see.  Bear in mind each month that goes by with no change to PIP, means we still continue to get our payments, so to me that's a positive, even though I like all others await with anguish on the fate of PIP.
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      · 1 months ago
      @Kevin In their dream's. 
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      · 1 months ago
      @Jo I suspect he knows directly from the DWP but cannot divulge anything yet. 
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      · 1 months ago
      @MrFibro Labour are getting waiting lists down so people who can work will work. Plenty want to work.
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      · 1 months ago
      @Dods Ask him where he got this information and what actual evidence he has. 
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      · 1 months ago
      @MrFibro Agree. I wish they would address issues that only a government can, instead of penalising individuals who have little choice or control over their condition. 

      Just waiting for current furore to abate before continuing former administration policies is disappointing. 


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    · 1 months ago
    Paused rather than scrapped - it’s depressing. 
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    · 1 months ago
    Interesting. I read over the weekend in the inews paper that Labour will bring forth their own proposals in the Spring of 2025, said to have been confirmed by an insider. If they were going to go down the route of this Green Paper surely they would not wait that long perhaps. 
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      · 1 months ago
      @P. English There's actually been several claims as to when "when Labour are going to announce their plans for disability benefits": 

      Before the summer recess, we were going to find out in the first week of September. Nothing came of it.

      We were then supposed to hear something during the DWP questions last week. Nothing came of it.

      Then, we were apparently going to find out in the Budget because of the "tough decisions when it comes to welfare" quote, even though welfare could apply to a number of benefits, not just PIP. 

      Now, we apparently won't find out anything until Spring 2025 (presumably when the next Budget is).

      It's turning into a bit of a 'boy who cried wolf' situation for me at this point, especially when it's no secret that the press are scaremongering for clicks. I'm just trying to ignore it and checking certain sources that I know are just about publishing facts with sources, such as DWPHelp on Reddit (who publish disability related news threads every Sunday). 
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    · 1 months ago
    That's good news. But you are right Labour's form of communication is crap.

    Surely they are not going to do as the last Government did and kick the can down the road when it comes to difficult decisions.

    Come to a decision and tell us. Stop waffling and sidetracking. People are totally stressed by this.

    Is there anyone in the cabinet with a backbone?
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      · 1 months ago
      @Jonno Either they haven’t got together the final details of their reforms yet, or they’re trying to create a pause after the winter fuel payment cuts so it doesn’t look like they’re targeting all the vulnerable groups in society all at once. 

      There will be changes but I doubt they’ll just take money off existing claimants. It’ll probably be new claims that are hit first and people already on pip would only see changes at the time of review/reassessment
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      · 1 months ago
      @Jonno 🤣 Politicians don't have back bones or morals. At the end of the day they're in it for what they can get out of it. They may start out with good intentions, but power corrupts. 
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      · 1 months ago
      @Jonno No.

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