Labour is struggling to contain a rebellion by its own MPs over benefits cuts, the Guardian has reported.

According to a Guardian report on 17 April the government is offering MPs unhappy with the cuts the chance to abstain or even simply miss the vote altogether, without any threat of punishment.

Backbenchers claim there are now 55 MPs prepared to rebel at the vote and another 100 who are still considering their position.

The bill to introduce the 4-point rule for PIP and abolish the WCA was expected to be introduced in May, but has now slipped back to early June, giving campaigners a little more time to organise opposition.

According to a further report in the Guardian on 20 April Labour is trying to buy off rebels by offering money to reduce child poverty just before the vote.

But Labour MP Rachel Maskell, told the Guardian

“You can’t compromise with a trade-off under which you say you will take more children from poor families out of poverty by placing more disabled people into poverty. That simply cannot be right.

“The government really does need to start listening to MPs, civil society and the population at large because there is really widespread opposition to these policies.”

And another Labour MP, Neil Duncan-Jordan, who won his seat with a majority of just 18 votes but who has 5,000 constituents receiving PIP, told the paper “There is not a hierachy of need.  The whole policy is wrong. It goes without saying that if these benefits cuts go through, I will be toast in this seat.”

Duncan-Jordan is also unhappy that MPs are being asked to vote on the changes before they the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR) reports on how effective they are likely to be in returning people to the workplace.  The OBR will deal with this issue in its next forecast, due in the Autumn.

More information about the effects of Labour’s policy are being uncovered by campaigners with each passing week. Such as the fact that almost nine out of ten current  PIP standard daily living awards fail the new test or that 77% of all award for arthritis and 62% of cardiovascular disease awards will fail the new test.

The more that Labour MPs can be made aware of these facts, the more they are likely to realise that what the government told them the cuts are about and what they are really about are two very different things.

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    · 2 hours ago
    So will this affect if it’s passed all new claims and reviews when due and are ongoing claims not affected until reviews are due please can someone explain thanks
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    · 4 hours ago
    You got the dates wrong. It's April, not June.
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    · 4 hours ago
    Starmer, Reeves and Kendall will rely on the Tories to vote it through but a rebellion will damage the government. Again this will need two pieces of legislation, a money bill to change/cut and primary legislation to change eligibility. 

    This saga is NOT a done deal and there will be legal apparatus' used regardless if legislation passes or not. 
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    · 5 hours ago
    I have written to my labour mp this morning, as follows:
    I’ve been a member of the Labour Party for a long time, I can’t really envisage voting for anybody else, but a few weeks ago I cancelled my membership.
    Why? I couldn’t stand the decision they have taken towards disabled people, and the benefit cuts. I worked very hard in my earlier life, but developed a disability, and I really thought I wouldn’t have to worry about being stripped of income under a new labour government. My claim survived all sorts of unfortunate and unsympathetic characters, as Secretary of State, but now my friends and myself, have an odds on chance of losing our independence and means to support ourselves. Further the mechanism used to differentiate the deserving from the undeserving, is terrible. The pip system is so much up for interpretation in implication that it produces a total lottery of outcome.

    It’s not just the decision, it’s that it’s been specifically selected as the least important priority in government that is my issue. I’m not looking to just make a moan, I really hope changes are possible in this legislation, and that you will fight for mitigations. For instance those continuing with over 8 points, but no 4 point score, to be eligible for a transitional relief payment, as was arranged through the Motability scheme some years back. I’m not apposed to Improvements to the system, but this change is not how the point system was designed to work , and the modification is purely to eliminate acceptance. Worst of all this narrative that’s it about getting people back to work. It makes people who could never work, very upset, guilty, and worried.

    If labour won’t help the most vulnerable, I have to wonder who they are for, and hence my membership decision. It is always a justification for pensioners that they deserve special treatment because they can’t change their circumstances of age. Thats my position with disability, I can’t change my position, and it really worries me.

    I’m much less interested in what governments say, than what they do. I very much hope you will support me with this.
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    · 5 hours ago
    Labour MPS need to grow a back bone abstaining from voting against benefit cuts not good enough. They need to send a clear message to starmer and Liz Kendall that they won't back the cuts by voting a clear NO. Listen to their conscience.
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    · 5 hours ago
    The mp’s not voting or being allowed to abstain are the same as voting for the cuts. They need to be clear either for or against. If everyone who is disabled doesn’t vote for Labour in the May election then they might see sense. 
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    · 5 hours ago
    We have to try and delay the introduction of the bill until after the OBR's impact forecast in Autumn. It's nonsense to have a vote before the effects are known (can it be legal, without a proper consultation either?), and we also need to be able to challenge the OBR's forecast if it doesn't comprehend the issues. 

    I seriously believe Starmer, Reeves, Kendall, do not themselves even have any idea what the ramifications of their proposals are. There's no way they've taken on board the adverse consequences losing one benefit has on other financial support in diverse ways for various groups of claimants. They thought they could make a clean and simple cut but we're looking at a totally botched operation which will require endless remedial treatment.

    Best we can do short term is use our vote, if we have the opportunity, in May.
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    · 5 hours ago
    Let's hope the rebellion gets much bigger to the extent that it makes this all go away.
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    · 6 hours ago
    Love how the pm has lauded the late pope:

     "a pope for the poor, the downtrodden and the forgotten. He was close to the realities of human fragility...persecution and poverty"

    Just like you, eh, Keir? Oh, wait...
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    · 6 hours ago
    Good. I hope it gets much worse. 
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    · 6 hours ago
    April, not June.
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    · 7 hours ago
    This news is very encouraging. The more labour MP's who are made aware of the dire consequences of these cruel benefit cuts to the vulnerable in our country, the more hope we have of getting results. We must continue to put pressure on the government any way we can. Hopefully this is the start of a breakthrough we have been waiting for. 
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    · 7 hours ago

    Kier Starmer:

    Pope Francis "was a pope for the poor, the downtrodden and the forgotten", Keir Starmer has said.

    “Pope Francis was a pope for the poor, the downtrodden and the forgotten. He was close to the realities of human fragility, meeting Christians around the world facing war, famine, persecution and poverty. Yet he never lost hope of a better world".

    I don't know how he dare, after all that he's doing along with reeves, kendall and the rest of them who support it all.

    I am not religious but the only term that comes to mind is Jesus Christ, are you for real?!

    The complete opposite of you lot then, Kier?
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    · 7 hours ago
    I am following a petition against the pip 4 point rule proposal it's  a 40 plus thousand signatures against last time I saw it but hoped it would be more as that's a lot I know people are still signing but hope more will too . It was a change. Org petition .
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    · 7 hours ago

    Thank you to Richard Burgon MP and, all other MP's with a moral compass who are voting against these draconian and evil cuts!

    I'd prefer all of the MP's are voting against because they do not agree with any of this, because they see that it is abhorrent, because it is simply wrong and unaccetable, rather than voting to save their own seats and for their own self interest.  Though at this point, anything to stop this and send a message that no party will get away with it, now or in the future.

    Get rid of Starmer, Reeves, Kendall and all the rest of the turncoats who should be in the tory or reform parties, as they certainly are not Labour or what Labour should be.  They are destroying the Labour Party from within.

    Let's have Richard Burgon MP as leader of the Labour party and Prime Minister.
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    · 8 hours ago
    Even if their was a u turn and all this never got threw still a chance yet then they would try again another way possibly keeping the universal credit wca and making that harder to pass and limiting health conditions on that in other words a severe disability group 
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    · 8 hours ago
    "Labour is trying to buy off rebels by offering money to reduce child poverty just before the vote."

    These people really are soulless, dead behind the eyes sociopaths.

    They're effectively saying to their own MPs, "so, kids or disabled people in poverty - pick one". How about not impoverishing either? Or recognising that disabled people have children who will be plunged deeper into poverty if the cuts go through? How about acknowledging that lifting kids out of poverty is something you should be doing anyway, not offering it as a sop in the hope your own MPs will allow you to clobber the sick and disabled in return?

    The Labour Party really is run by some truly odious people.  They're not even Tory-lite now - they've gone full-fat Tory, arguably even trying to out-Reform Reform. What a great political strategy: let's try appeasing the hard right, because that always goes well.

     
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    · 8 hours ago
    Id really like to know what is going to happen with lcwra as i am on this, my review is over by almost 2 years. Having no idea when they will review again or what is happning is almost torture 
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    · 11 hours ago
    This is good! Let’s keep up the pressure, wherever we can. This community gives me hope that together we can disrupt these wicked proposals. Let’s aim high - if the goal is to topple them we’ll at least make a dent. Everyone can do something and every bit counts. 
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    · 11 hours ago
    The Parliamentary process is working so far - the more time MP's across the Commons have to look at the entire paper and listen to the concerns from others, the more I think this rebellion will grow. Make no mistake that unless the rebellion is gigantic in scale, this paper will still likely go through, but it will go through with many more steps in the process with amendment considerations and so forth. I'm hoping that even if it goes through, which is very likely, it will look nothing like what the Green Paper originally intended, having been watered down or quite possibly having had so much backlash that Labour decide to scrap it entirely to save face. The local elections in May this year will no doubt be a huge blow for Labour across many councils in England, that may also play a factor in Labour's current trajectory of prioritizing cuts over taxing the ultra wealthy.

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