Benefits and Work is asking for readers help to find out whether MPs are being misled about pension age personal independence payment (PIP).

On 25 April we published the news that disability minister Stephen Timms had told MPs in a written parliamentary answer that people over state pension age “will not be affected by the proposed changes” to PIP set out in the Pathways To Work Green Paper.

In that article we expressed our concerns that Timms’ claim left questions unanswered.

Now, having had time to consider, we have concluded that we can find no plausible way that Timms’ statement could be accurate.  We need readers with a sympathetic MP to quiz Timms further.

In his written answer to a question about the impact of the Green Paper on pension age PIP claimants Timms said:

 “Our intention is that the new eligibility requirement in Personal Independence Payment (PIP), in which people must score a minimum of four points in one daily living activity to be eligible for the daily living component, will apply to new claims and award reviews from November 2026, subject to parliamentary approval. In keeping with existing policy, people over State Pension Age are not routinely fully reviewed and will not be affected by the proposed changes.”

The phrase “not routinely fully reviewed” is deeply ambiguous.  It is true that claimants over pension age are likely to have a light-touch review.  This involves the shortened AR2 review form and will not normally require the claimant to have a face-to-face or telephone assessment.

But the AR2 form still asks the claimant if there have been any changes in their daily living needs since their last assessment.  After November 2026, assuming Labour’s rule changes go through, If the claimant answers “No” to this, and they currently do not score 4 points or higher for any activity, then they are stating that they no longer meet the legal criteria for an award of PIP.  This will be the case for around eight out of ten current PIP standard rate daily living component claimants.

In these circumstances the DWP would either have to stop the claimant’s award or require them to attend an assessment to determine if they were eligible, which would include having to establish that they scored at least 4 points for one activity.

There isn’t any way around this that we can see.  There is no such thing as a “not full review”, which ignores the basic eligibility criteria for PIP.

Timms could have said that new legislation would exempt pension age claimants from ever being reviewed again – but he didn’t. Currently more than 10,000 pension age PIP claimants have a planned award review every year.

And even if Labour did abolish planned award reviews for this group, pension age PIP claimants would still be affected by the Green Paper. 

Because some claimants getting the standard rate of the PIP daily living component will experience an increase in their needs over time and will ask for a change of circumstances review, in the hope of moving onto the enhanced rate.

There are currently around 20,000 pension age PIP change of circumstances reviews a year.  After November 2026 these claimants will not only have to prove they score at least 12 daily living points in total to get the enhanced rate, they will also have to show that they score at least 4 points for one activity.

What is more, if they fail to score at least 4 points for one activity, they will lose their current daily living award entirely.

So, pension age PIP claimants will definitely be affected by the Green paper changes.  The only way to avoid this would be to say that the new points system regulations will specifically exempt pension age PIP claimants.

But Timms didn’t say that.

We don’t want to alarm pension age PIP claimants.  Reviews after pension age are much less frequent, so most claimants may not be affected.

Nonetheless, it appears that tens of thousands a year may be.

So, to try to get to the truth, we need an MP to ask some more questions of the secretary of state for work and pensions.  Something along the lines of:

“Will existing PIP claimants of pension age who are subject to a planned award review from November 2026 be required to score at least four points in one daily living activity in order to maintain their award?”

“Will existing PIP claimants of pension age who request a change of circumstances review from November 2026 be required to score at least four points in one daily living activity in order to maintain or increase their award?”

If you have a supportive MP, please ask them to consider raising these issues.  It seems important that MPs have the fullest facts possible about the changes being planned, before they are asked to vote on them next month.

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    · 6 hours ago
    Dear B&W,
    Received a communication from a company called Verian on behalf of the DWP, inviting me to take part in the 'Areas of Extra Cost Survey' today.
    It's about the barriers people may face that make it harder to take part in society and the extra costs faced to overcome these barriers.

    Apparently, the results will be used to understand how PIP can best help with extra living costs.

    Sample survey size, 60,000 people, says it's anonymous but, the 'ID Code will be used to add some information the DWP already have about you including your PIP scores, to your survey answers', however, it then goes on to say, your identity will not be used or revealed to anyone at DWP during the study.

    I confess, reading the letter has just set off alarm bells and to be honest, I don't understand it properly, but I've not looked at the survey yet.

    I'm afraid that if I log on then don't complete it, will the DWP think I'm not bothered? I would also be angry if it means I miss the opportunity to contribute. Maybe I'm just cynical because all trust has gone where the current Government is concerned and I don't trust the DWP to not to use this information against people.

    Oh, and there's a tenner in it if you participate! 

    Should I participate? I don't really feel very confident about what this is trying to achieve, nor very confident there's sufficient competency involved following the latest cock- up on the 'Green Paper non- event'!
    So, would love to know what you/the forum thinks and, whether you feel it requires further investigation.
    The closing date is 20th June 2025 and should take 20 minutes to complete. Again with the rubbish timeframe and inability to understand we might need extra time to get help and, that we all have convenient access to online facilities! 



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    · 1 days ago
    I e-mailed my MP and asked if they would put the two written questions above and this is the reply I have received :

    Dear Jenny,

    As you may be aware, Alicia recently gave birth and is currently recovering from severe complications and as such cannot reply to you within the next few weeks.

    I am speaking to Alicia to ensure she's aware of issues being raised by residents, including yours. She's agreed that I can come back to you with her thoughts.

    Alicia’s thoughts on this issue are as follows:

    ”The Government’s announcements have worried many. I do welcome that people with health conditions that are permanent or will get worse will not have to be reassessed under the new plans, however I recognise other claimants will likely face more frequent reassessments. I’m also relieved that if you're terminally ill, the Government is not changing the rules we left in place that PIP is automatically applied without having an assessment, so this will remain the same going forward.”

    Alicia has previously submitted a Parliamentary Written Question on the benefits reforms, which you can find here: https://questions-statements.parliament.uk/written-questions/detail/2025-01-28/26933

    Alicia has agreed to submit your suggested Parliamentary Written Questions and I will send you the Government’s response once we receive it.

    Thank you again for writing,

    Casework Team
    Office of Alicia Kearns MP

    I will let everyone know when I get a further reply.
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    · 1 days ago
    Anyone know the date in June that MP's will vote on this?
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    · 1 days ago
    I informed PIP of a change in my circumstances, complete with proof from my doctor, and was told because I was over pension age it didn’t matter. Regardless of how much worse my condition gets, I will never see any changes in my standard award. 
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      · 1 days ago
      @Dee So to clarify, the DWP have told you that even if your needs increase, you cannot get an increased award?

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      · 1 days ago
      @Dee @Dee, that's true of mobility element, but might be worth challenging if daily living element. I'd seek advice from CAB or another qualified adviser.
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    · 2 days ago
    this is a truly cruel blow to pension age recipients. Many who have had to endure years of chopping and changing and proving they were entitled to this  small amount  of money monthly to provide much needed extra financial help. Many will not be entitled to pension credit or other means to help with day to day costs and  needs.  Some who receive PIP and IIB, only receive the IIB component  whist PIP is received. So some, could lose both their  PIP and IIB with no  recourse. 
    Many who have jumped thru the hoops over  years, where the changes continually try and erode and make it more difficult to get, were told  once you reach Pension Age one no longer needs to jump as high anymore. Now we have been told we need to  jump even higher. I am expecting the DWP to say here is a tablet take , end  of, OR  keep jumping
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      · 8 hours ago
      @Andy Yes, that's what I was told by Citizens Advice.
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      · 1 days ago
      @Andy they cannot apply for AA if they receive PIP mobiliity tho'. and you don't get mobility element on AA
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      · 1 days ago
      @Andy ...they cannot apply for AA if they receive PIP mobiliity tho'. and you don't get mobility  on AA

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      · 2 days ago
      @pusscatsmum Pensioners have been told to apply for Attendance allowance if they lose their Pip. 
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    · 2 days ago
    If you loose your PIP you will also lose your care allowance,then you loose your allowance for pension credit,then you loose council tax support and any other benefits that pension credit gives you. This no doubt will see thousands more people having to stay in hospital for long periods.This move by the so called Labour Party will cost many lives.
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    · 2 days ago
    I actually wasn't aware that Pension age people could claim PIP. I thought it was only for working age people. I expect there are a lot of pensioners who also didn't know. 
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      · 8 hours ago
      @Peter Austin So if you can't put in a new claim, i.e for a daily living ten year award, how can my score be increased? I scored 2 not 4 in each category. Obviously since 2018 my condition has deteriorated considerably
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      · 2 days ago
      @Michelle Michelle,you can only get pip at pension age if you are already on it.You can't claim it after pension age,only attendance allowance,which doesn't include mobility.
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      · 2 days ago
      @Michelle Michelle you can't claim PIP for the first time if you are over pension age. If you were in receipt of PIP when you reached pension age however - payments carry on. 
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      · 2 days ago
      @Michelle As I understand it, Once you reach pension age, you cannot put in a new claim for PIP. If you are already getting PIP when you reach pension age, then you carry on getting PIP. Pensioners who need help, can apply for attendance allowance if they don`t receive PIP.
       
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    · 3 days ago
    I had a telephone reweiw 4 weeks ago . I was on the enhanced rate for both . I originally scored 27 points and since 2019 have been diagnosed with more conditions. 
    I had my letter last week telling me I am no longer eligible with a score of 2 . I am very distraught with the lies and only scoring 2 points for needing a handrail . 
    I am with sick health and am going disbelief. How can this be allowed . My conditions have worsted with age. Autoimmune psoriatic arthritis, spinal issues, and mental health along with several other conditions.
    It feels so terrible and that's happening now before the new Green paper. 
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      · 1 days ago
      @Buffy You need to appeal 6 years ago I was told I had zero points So no PIP after a review So I went to appeal and then I was awarded enough points to get the higher rate for both parts of PIP I have just had another review completed with a higher award for both parts maintained 
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    · 3 days ago
    I retired 18 months ago after working 40yrs and paying my stamp. I claimed DLA years ago initially after learning I could get help after an RTA back in the 80s. I only had a light touch review every 10yrs. Got moved to PIP, get enhanced daily care & lower mobility. Next review I had other health issues from another accident that had caught up with me causing legs to 'vanish' randomly when walking, so I would faceplant the floor which caused other injuries too. The 2nd review I had I got knocked down a point for something I'd never been able to do since the 80s! Me thinks just be grateful I still get it. Then last year I slipped a disc causing another issue which left me with very unsteady walking even with crutches so got moved to larger adapted bungalow and thought change address and report changes. My next review was to be April 2027. After doing the PIP review on b and w I should be on 4 points for a few questions. I have a video appointment soon and am terrified they'll score me the same and they don't record video assessments. I am unable to work but did do even from job to job for 40yrs so why should Starmer think disabled people don't work! I even had the green disability card in the 80s and did any job I could do to survive rather than claim sick benefit but as soon as almost every employer found out I was disabled as back then not quite so obvious, I was forced to leave! The last one I left after 8yrs after I got worse and was referred to as the cripple by the boss. I just don't trust the system at all as it all seems designed to take not help. Emailed MP 3 times, 1st at old address came out with cut & paste response,ignored 2nd time diff MP, 3rd time cut & paste response again. Just hope I get through to 4 points without a fight!
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    · 3 days ago
    Don’t the government define working age as up to age 64? Sorry if this point has already been made but it means at 65 you would no longer count as being of working age whether or not you actually receive a state pension. For instance, I receive my state pension at age 67. In the gap between age 65 and 67 I will not be a pensioner, nor of official ‘working age’. So,any change in the law on any benefit must be analysed for the use of these phrases. If the intention is to get productivity higher, and genuinely help people to do what work they can, it would seem ridiculous to target those who are ill, or with disabilities, who are approaching, or at the end of, their official working life. Of course, we all know the real agenda is to placate the right-wing press and save money. This being so I’m not surprised to see that B and W have analysed the health issues they plan to target, and those who are older will be hardest hit. It’s not to increase productivity that they are doing this but to punish those who they see as not productive. Labour has, after all, consistently declared they are a party for ‘working people’. We were told the clue is in the name. Goodness knows who represents the rest of our population then - mothers who are at home, the retired, children, and many ill and disabled people…. All the above being true I think they will try to assess Oder people - even before the ten year dates of next reviews. They will want us applying for attendance allowance once officially retired because this pays significantly less but sounds as if they are still taking care of the disabled elderly. As for young people they will be faced with fighting it out with the government to even start to get support and help. However, there are lots of us and if each person knows at least one or two people more that makes a substantial pressure group of millions. So keep writing to your MP or sharing petitions or anything thing law you can think of. Nobody is in this alone. Xxx

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    · 3 days ago
    So,I’m 63,I’m allegedly seven years until my next review,(was given 10 yrs at last one)so will then be over pensionable age. Question,Will I be reviewed early,or will they allow the seven years to pass? Secondly,I have a number of “3’s” get well over the points for higher PIP and full amount for the mobility side,will I have to have a review to keep these,bearing in mind my first question if they review me at my original due date,? My injuries are getting worse, are all physical,so it looks like although maybe there is the possibility of getting the a 4 somewhere,it reads like I may be penalised anyway.

    Also,I have written to my MP,young lad,no life experience,not interested in us as was apparent by his copy and paste toe the party line reply
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      · 3 days ago
      @Clive Well done for writing though. 
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    · 3 days ago
    Hope this is ok to share.  Are you aware that so far 248,577 thousand people have signed the campaign to the government to increase the income tax personal allowance threshold from £12,570 to £20,000. It will be discussed in parliament in the 12h May 2025. This would be an incredible help to people if this threshold was increased. 
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      · 3 days ago
      @Chrissy Sanderson This is a terrible idea. It is economically illiterate. It would mean additional huge cuts to our depleted public services as well as ensuring cuts to benefits.
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    · 3 days ago
    I emailed my MP a few times and have only just received a reply, which is merely a copy and paste statement of the Reeves et al nonsense. As per the norm I got no straight yes or no answer to my questions. I am taking this to mean that she ( Maria Eagle ) will be voting for the cuts and changes.
    So I won't be voting for her ever again and I told her so.

    As far as am aware only 2 Liverpool MPs are voting against ( this could or have changed by now) in a region that research has proved will be amongst those hardest hit.
    What an absolute disgrace, words fail me.
    But let's keep up the fight we have to 
    Best wishes to you all and take care
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      · 3 days ago
      @Andrea Ms Eagle is a ‘party line’ politician. Like so many other MP’s she is a loyal trooper (the very type so so beloved of Starmer. He threw anyone who disagreed with him on anything out of the party) To get enough MP’s to rebel and actually vote against this bill will be very hard. We have to keep trying though, You’ve done just the right thing by telling her this will affect your vote. It’s potentially  something they do care about! Let’s hope it’s making her think twice. 
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    · 3 days ago
    I’m 65yrs old on my pension in January, and get the disabled lower component, already realised the implications of the threat to disabled persons and the double whammy of cuts to winter fuel, now PIP IS threatened, for similar cuts for pensioners. 
    On Friday I had Frank’s exchange with my MP, I’ve already lost around 40k due to universal credit which stoped my old style Incapacity benefit, from being paid and also now PIP is next for cuts and pointed out this would affect pensioners. 
    I also told her this strategy is stupidity, will have another go at next Labour Party meeting?
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    · 3 days ago
    I am 63 and very concerned I will be subject to the cut right before I reach retirement age. I'm on a light touch on going award which I think they reassess after ten years but  I don't remember when I got the award and I'm too scared to phone and ask DWP. I live on the PIP money, I won't be able to pay all my bills, food etc.if it's cut. 
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      · 1 days ago
      @Marion Many older people who have saved up for a caravan, motorhome or other little retirement place do not qualify for Universal credit or any other income based benefits, because these count as assets, and the expectation is that you should sell them. 
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      · 2 days ago
      @Squirrel Squirrel your start details are on your original letter when you were first given your PIP. If you can't find your letter you can phone DWP and ask for a copy, you don't have to tell them why you need it. I had to ask them for a copy of mine and they didn't ask why(mine was for reapplying to get my new bus pass)
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      · 3 days ago
      @Marion @Marion, "if you get the Daily Living part of PIP after pension, you get a fair amount premium on top of Pension Credit, like the SDP" - this is what people don't realise and what is essential to the income of disabled pensioners so they are passported to housing benefit, winter fuel allowance and other benefits, and it's why we must keep pushing for a DEFINITE commitment that pensioners will not be affected.
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      · 3 days ago
      @Squirrel Why are you living on your PIP payment? It’s not meant for that, it’s the extra costs, though I’m aware most of us need to dip into it. Do you not get ESA or Universal Credit? 
      I’m worried generally about the PIP situation, 64 in early July, just forced on to UC, but want to maintain my PIP until after I get my pension. I have just had to complete my PIP review, it currently runs out in February 2026. I’ve also just found out if you get the Daily Living part of PIP after pension, you get a fair amount premium on top of Pension Credit, like the SDP.
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    · 3 days ago
    I would like to know why there hasn’t been more attention paid to the fact that MP can claim an extra £6k on top of their salary for each member of their family that claims PIP. Apparently, they are entitled to claim an extra £6k per family member on PIP to a maximum of 3 family members. 

    In essence, they are “entitled” to claim a maximum of £18k of Our Tax Payers money on top of the salary that we already pay them. 

    I would like 1. Someone to make this make sense 2. Explain why this hasn’t made national headlines and been highlighted as a farce and hypocrisy; not to mention another loophole for MPs to raid our tax money while inferring that most pIP claimants are scroungers.
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      · 3 days ago
      @dalega23 Thank you for clearing this up.There is so much misinformation out there. We all need to be careful as to what we believe good research is key.
      We are all suffering ill health which is hard to deal with therefore avoiding stress and fake news is wise.👍
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      · 3 days ago
      @Isobel I was so shocked to read this that I Googled for more information.  The AI answer I received stated:

      "No, MPs do not receive an additional £6000 in salary for each family member who receives Personal Independence Payment (PIP). MPs' pay is determined by the Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority (IPSA) and may include additional payments for specific roles, such as being a minister or chairing a committee. There are no provisions for extra pay based on family members receiving PIP."
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      · 3 days ago
      @Isobel If this is true then it's outrageous and I urge you to report it to the media ASAP.
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    · 3 days ago
    Have emailed my MP , let's see what she says. 
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    · 3 days ago
    I have written to my local  Mp and to Hilary Benn about this matter as I'm on Pip and a pension iv asked for clarification as to what's happening and also about loosing my mobility car should this happen
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    · 3 days ago
    As I have already told my MP Pam Cox (although I haven't had a reply), on review as things stand that I will lose my care componant and as a result my pension credit, plus winter fuel and warm home discount. I had a serious road accident (not my fault) when I was 27 which left me with long-term disability and ended my career as a nurse. I am now 69 and have severe osteo-arthritis plus various other conditions. Cold severely affects my ability to walk, move around and care for myself never mind my home. I  also suffer from severe pain in both arms due to the arthritis and walking on crutches for over 20 years (I now use a mobility scooter when outside) and the ulna nerve in my right arm was damaged in a fall 22 months ago when I broke my arm and I am unable to pick up heavy objects as my hand is affected and I can  only effectively use my index and middle fingers of that hand and I will not be able to pay for my groceries to be delivered as I do now.  I will keep the mobility component but will have to use that for living expenses. I will not be able to run my car or replace the numerous pieces of equipment that I have to enable me to live independently and will struggle to pay for the electricity for my CPAP therapy every night, my chair and my bed.  I do not have carers as I'm not considered disabled enough (their solution was to give me a care alarm which I've used several times due to falls) and I don't have friends or family able enough to help. I pay privately for a chiropodist at £38 a visit every 8 weeks (which increases yearly) and also will lose free dental care. I pay for gardening help from the local council. I am partialy deaf with hearing aids and will struggle to pay the vets bills for my assistance dog who alerts me to people at my door, alarms at night etc. and is in training to assist me with fetching things I need plus I will struggle to feed us both. I already cannot afford a TV licence so don't have a TV. I'm on a social tariff for internet and phone. I will have to try to manage on my pension, small LG Pension of £26.45 a month and the mobility. I was a carer for my daughter for many years before she died and bulit up my LGP with 4 years part-time after recovering sufficiently from long-term illness to work before becoming too disabled. I retired with 48 years NI contributions and as well as caring for my daughter from my early 30s I also did part-time voluntary work, passed professional exams and took a degree to improve my chances of working after she passed, which I paid for with loans. Fortunately they expired when I was 60 or I would still be paying those off now. I'm also one of the WASPI women and was informed by letter (which I still have) 3 years before I reached my expected retirement age of 60 when I was serously ill. This is the reality of what these people are proposing to do to people like me. I'm not asking for sympathy just stating the facts.
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      · 1 days ago
      @Celia You don't need a TV licence to have a television. You only need said licence if you watch, or record live, or, use BBC iPlayer. You can watch about 90 percent of your favourite programs without one.
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    · 3 days ago
    I have a UNPAID CARER for over forty years. When PIP fist started, i was in carers group which was visited by acompany asking questions to review PIP. 
    Within twenty minutes we al agreed PIP was not there to help disabled people. It was nothing more than a disgiused COST CUTTING EXERCISE.
    And now today once again a LABOUR PARTY is behaving just like the conservatives.
    NO POLITICIANS NOW CAN EVER BE TRUSTED !!!!! 

    WHO CARES FOR THE DISABLED AND UNPAID CARERS ?????