Benefits and Work is asking for readers help to find out whether MPs are being misled about pension age personal independence payment (PIP).

On 25 April we published the news that disability minister Stephen Timms had told MPs in a written parliamentary answer that people over state pension age “will not be affected by the proposed changes” to PIP set out in the Pathways To Work Green Paper.

In that article we expressed our concerns that Timms’ claim left questions unanswered.

Now, having had time to consider, we have concluded that we can find no plausible way that Timms’ statement could be accurate.  We need readers with a sympathetic MP to quiz Timms further.

In his written answer to a question about the impact of the Green Paper on pension age PIP claimants Timms said:

 “Our intention is that the new eligibility requirement in Personal Independence Payment (PIP), in which people must score a minimum of four points in one daily living activity to be eligible for the daily living component, will apply to new claims and award reviews from November 2026, subject to parliamentary approval. In keeping with existing policy, people over State Pension Age are not routinely fully reviewed and will not be affected by the proposed changes.”

The phrase “not routinely fully reviewed” is deeply ambiguous.  It is true that claimants over pension age are likely to have a light-touch review.  This involves the shortened AR2 review form and will not normally require the claimant to have a face-to-face or telephone assessment.

But the AR2 form still asks the claimant if there have been any changes in their daily living needs since their last assessment.  After November 2026, assuming Labour’s rule changes go through, If the claimant answers “No” to this, and they currently do not score 4 points or higher for any activity, then they are stating that they no longer meet the legal criteria for an award of PIP.  This will be the case for around eight out of ten current PIP standard rate daily living component claimants.

In these circumstances the DWP would either have to stop the claimant’s award or require them to attend an assessment to determine if they were eligible, which would include having to establish that they scored at least 4 points for one activity.

There isn’t any way around this that we can see.  There is no such thing as a “not full review”, which ignores the basic eligibility criteria for PIP.

Timms could have said that new legislation would exempt pension age claimants from ever being reviewed again – but he didn’t. Currently more than 10,000 pension age PIP claimants have a planned award review every year.

And even if Labour did abolish planned award reviews for this group, pension age PIP claimants would still be affected by the Green Paper. 

Because some claimants getting the standard rate of the PIP daily living component will experience an increase in their needs over time and will ask for a change of circumstances review, in the hope of moving onto the enhanced rate.

There are currently around 20,000 pension age PIP change of circumstances reviews a year.  After November 2026 these claimants will not only have to prove they score at least 12 daily living points in total to get the enhanced rate, they will also have to show that they score at least 4 points for one activity.

What is more, if they fail to score at least 4 points for one activity, they will lose their current daily living award entirely.

So, pension age PIP claimants will definitely be affected by the Green paper changes.  The only way to avoid this would be to say that the new points system regulations will specifically exempt pension age PIP claimants.

But Timms didn’t say that.

We don’t want to alarm pension age PIP claimants.  Reviews after pension age are much less frequent, so most claimants may not be affected.

Nonetheless, it appears that tens of thousands a year may be.

So, to try to get to the truth, we need an MP to ask some more questions of the secretary of state for work and pensions.  Something along the lines of:

“Will existing PIP claimants of pension age who are subject to a planned award review from November 2026 be required to score at least four points in one daily living activity in order to maintain their award?”

“Will existing PIP claimants of pension age who request a change of circumstances review from November 2026 be required to score at least four points in one daily living activity in order to maintain or increase their award?”

If you have a supportive MP, please ask them to consider raising these issues.  It seems important that MPs have the fullest facts possible about the changes being planned, before they are asked to vote on them next month.

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    · 3 days ago
    This lot at the DWP want to spy on the bank accounts of 12.6 million people, yet they can't even keep the email addresses of individuals private 
    They can't even hold a meeting by Skype for a few people without technical problems! 
    Holy hell, we are all in for a hectic time. 

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    · 3 days ago
    The truth is that it is unbelievable that a Labour government given an overwhelming majority decided to attack pensioners,the young,Families with more than 2 children and now of course the Tories favourite punching bag the disabled. To top it off they leave billionaires and massive money making businesses alone to basically decide if they want to pay tax.
    This is not the Labour Party we want and their privileged Mps will find out soon enough they need or votes far more than we need them. The level of political naivety is absolutely stunning it can only come from someone who's not really lived in the real world.
    Keep up the pressure let them know they rely on us to keep their lucrative careers.
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    · 3 days ago
     I hope you can help me spread this message. It’s very important about PIP and how the judges at my tribunal did not attempt to award all the points I deserved but stopped the tribunal as soon as I had been awarded enough points to get me the maximum award. If this happened to me I’m betting it happened to others, too. This is very important for people who haven’t been awarded 4 points for anything. It possibly/ probably means that anyone who has been to tribunal might deserve higher points than is/was agreed by the tribunal judges. Something meant as kindness for such sick people but that might mean that that lose their PIP due to the government’s poor decisions. Badly worded, I know. My brain fog gets worse and worse. Please read the rest of this post. I think it’s very important

    For my PIP I took Atos to tribunal. The tribunal was in December 2016 Please be patient with me because it’s hard for me to find words to explain. The judges at the tribunal wanted to make the whole thing as easy and as quick as possible for me so that my carers could get me back home and to bed as soon as possible. I had two carers with me and a legal advisor. I think people usually just have one person with them but the tribunal judges welcomed my “support team”.

    So. They wanted the tribunal to be over as soon as possible as they could see I was in pain, discomfort, etc

    So they decided that they would ask questions which would help them get the required number of points as quickly as possible. They had obviously discussed this amongst themselves before I arrived. I had brought colour coded notes and photos to help me provide evidence and my carers helped me answer them, too. Of course they already had the large dossier that I’d had to submit prior to the tribunal

    So as soon as my answers helped them get the required number of points to award me the top level of both parts of PIP they stopped the tribunal and told me I had been successful and that I was awarded the top thingies (please forgive my word finding problems) in both daily living and in mobility.

    That was great and meant we could finish the tribunal as quickly as possible. But it also meant that they didn’t assess me on the rest of the questions/sections. The results were not exhaustive.

    So they didn’t update any points to the other sections. If we had continued I very much assume I would have been awarded higher points for those sections, too. And of course it means that you can’t use my PIP award sheet as a basis for determining what I can and can’t do, or to what degree I can do things

    It’s very hard for me to put this into words. I don’t know if this was a common occurrence that the judges finished the tribunal as soon as they reached the required number of points to award people the top rates. Of course it means that the tribunals are quicker but it does mean that we don’t get a true picture of how many more points we would have been given if we’d gone through the whole of the PIP forms at the tribunal and were can’t use the PIP award letter as a basis for understanding what I can and can’t do, how often I can do things, nor to what extent I can do things. 
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      · 3 days ago
      @Janice Johnson The reason they do this at tribunal is to sort things out quickly
      It doesn't matter how many points you get awarded once over the amount required to get maximum daily living and mobility that's it 
      They are not interested in anything else or how disabled you are 
      You do not get anymore pip money however many points you maybe awarded 
      So once points are reached that are required that's it max pip 
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    · 3 days ago
    I brought the benefits changes debacle up with my (Labour) MP when he was on my doorstep during the local elections. He just repeated the line about the number of people (allegedly) claiming disability benefits when there was nothing wrong with them (frauds and scroungers, in other words!). He was obsessed with migrants and Reform - who are now in control of our local council and my particular ward (I didn't vote for them). So I feel it may be wasting my time to approach my MP, but might give it a go. see if I get a reply at all. 
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    · 3 days ago
    I’m a pension age PIP recipient and don’t have 4 points in any of my living component scores. My review isn’t for another 7 years . I know that I can’t increase my living component to enhanced as once you are of Pension age you cannot increase your award. With the ambiguity of it all it worries me that I have got to volunteer myself for a review to maintain the award that I have got (my care needs have increased but not to an enhanced level) 
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      · 2 days ago
      @billkruse Absolutely agree Bill. Since I retired I have had several falls and as a result have multiple spinal fractures. They said they admitted I am much worse , but the Law says they are not allowed to increase my Award. Yet I am due for review in 2 yrs time. It makes absolutely no sense. 
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      · 2 days ago
      @Yorkie Bard Thanks Yorkie Bard , I didn’t realise it was just the mobility component that was frozen at pension age, I thought it was both. I don’t want to rock any boats and volunteer for a review, but am concerned that things will just be done without any option for review if it all goes through and the DWP starts looking for low hanging fruit that they can sweep into their statistics. Theoretically I should have 7 more years until my review but I don’t trust than as far as I could throw a grand piano 😂 . 
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      · 2 days ago
      @Tuliptrees Tuliptrees, sorry but the answer is no. You have to give up both living & mobility awards from PIP before you can apply for AA
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      · 2 days ago
      @Poppykins You can get an increase on daily living when you are of pension age,but not the mobility. 
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      · 3 days ago
      @Dog servant So if I lose my daily living but keep the enhanced mobility (I have a car) can I then apply for AA?  Can you get both PIP & AA?
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    · 3 days ago
    I’m having trouble understanding why this so called ‘consultation’ has not been taken to court yet like the Tory wca consultation was by Ellen Clifford earlier in the year

    At least the Tory wca/pip consultations actually somewhat resembled the definition of a consultation 

    Labours green paper consultation is a total farce and that’s being generous - many aren’t filling it in because it’s a total joke and honestly I don’t blame them

    It’s mind boggling that Labour ministers has less respect for the disabled then the previous Tory lot

    I don’t know if action can’t be legally taken till the constitution is over - but it’s ridiculous that Labour seem to be making truckloads of disability cuts unopposed whilst the last Tory gov had trouble implementing a fraction of similar cuts
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      · 3 days ago
      @K The political class don't see disabled people out of work as contributors to society, look up George Bernard Shaw and the Fabian Society, these people are eugenicists. 
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      · 3 days ago
      @Dez Why is the PM intent on punitive attacks on the sick and disabled with diagnosed conditions?   The rush to do this and to push the "assisted dying" bill makes life terribly hard & stressful. It's terrifying to read the proposed legislative changes and see they are directed at one section of society. If we don't like it we are shown the door, yet if we've never lived anywhere else & are sick &/or disabled it's hard to find another life somewhere else, I haven't even boarded a flight to anywhere in my life. 
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      · 3 days ago
      @D It's mainly because the Tories were no longer in government, so it was easier to take them to court. I'm sure that there's things going on behind the scenes but lawyers have to bid their time because they tend to have only one shot at making this kind of thing stick in court. They've already stated things are difficult because we don't know the exact human impact these reforms shall have on people and we won't know until the autumn.

      Hence why Starmer is frantically trying to rush things such as the 4 point rule in as quickly as possible. With any luck, this shall be used against him. It's plain as day that he knows this impact statement isn't going to look good on him and it's going to make it harder for him to convince MPs to vote or not abstain.
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    · 4 days ago
    Timms is overwhelmed, he doesn't have a clue what's going on. I think his bumbling on about no routine or full reviews was just an attempt to make it sound as if it was clear pension age claimants were never included in the proposals. Instead he confused things even more, so now we have to get a definite commitment As for whether pensioners will be liable for new pip rules, I just don't see how that can happen, because the government have no excuse for it - they can't link it to employment. There are other ways to hurt the elderly, though.
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      · 11 hours ago
      @Lesley-Anne I'm also still on indefinite DLA (mobility higher rate) at 69. Like you, as I age, my mobility is worsening. The spinal surgery I recently had for degenerative spine disease has not been the success I'd hoped, but made things worse. It's quite a muddle for any of us to see how to navigate a system that looks to be constructed with impossible hurdles and camouflaged pits to fall into.
      I suspect that Attendance Allowance intentionally has no mobility component because the majority of pensioners have, or will have, mobility issues. Like WFA,  AA mobility component is a disability expenditure that government does not want, but is a disrespect to older people who've worked and paid their stamp for decades.  

      Timms said "Our INTENTION is that the new eligibility requirement in Personal Independence Payment (PIP) will apply to new claims and award reviews from November 2026." 
      He also said "people over State Pension Age are NOT ROUTINELY FULLY reviewed and will not be affected by the proposed changes." 
      Both statements are vague, and deeply ambiguous. 
      Given government's track record of carefully constructed statements that turn out to be the worst interpretation and its proclivity to moving goalposts, this hot mess of proposed disability changes is increasingly worrying. And governments' historic flinch at being fully transparent and its lack of commitment to definitive and detailed 'reform' plans is nothing less than duplicitous. 

      My MP is not among the 42 who wrote to Starmer saying the Green paper cuts are impossible to support. She historically replies to constituents with meaningless template letters, and seems to support people working until within a few minutes of their funeral appointments. 

      I am increasingly frustrated and concerned that with every government statement, every media comment and article, the letters DLA are repeatedly not tacked onto PIP in each sentence. I have to wonder if that is intentional. I wonder if there is a two tier reform that will emerge at some point, and which would not be right.  Because, as you rightfully say, keeping an eye on all of this and migrating goalposts is necessary, and infinitely exhausting. 

      It is only because of B&W that we have any clarity at all about these proposed reforms, and can trust that anything published here has been meticulously researched before print. It's why it's a good place to stick.


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      · 3 days ago
      @sara
      Sara, I think that you maybe right!  I am 77 and on the old style D.L.A. indefinitely. I don't trust any of this government.  Sadly, am ashamed to say, that I naively voted for Labour.
      Am watching closley.  Nothing to stop them doing reviews of all of us older claimants who are still on old style D.L.A.  My mobility has greately decreased.  Had an ankle fusion on December 7th 2023 and my foot is now fixed at a 90 degree angle and am still using two crutches to mobise with.  Was misled to believe that I would be walking with ease by now.
      Am so disappointed!  Plus I am only on low mobilitely D.L.A. and at my age cannot apply for any more. Although I do get middle care rate.  My needs are getting even greater.
      Yup! You are so right, about there being other ways to hurt the elderly.
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    · 4 days ago
    As an aside, this morning was the first virtual meeting of the consultation of the green paper, which I was to be part of.  I tried to login at 9.55 as requested, but couldn't.  I tried again for the next ten minutes or so, and still no joy.   And so, as DWP had released the email addresses of all the participants last week by mistake (!), I sent an email to all to see if someone could help.  I got a dozen replies, all from private individuals, who were having the same problem.  

    The consultation meeting was to have 25 private individuals and a bunch of people from councils, support groups and charities.  I know for sure that half of the private individuals couldn't attend the meeting.  I still don't know at this stage whether ANY individuals were able to log in to the meeting, and I don't know about the representatives from groups.   Nobody has replied to my email saying that they could log in OK. 

    Because the people behind the event could only be contacted via email, there was no way to get a quick fix.  I have written to them demanding that the event be rescheduled, but have heard nothing back - not even an apology. 
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      · 3 days ago
      @SLB The meeting was cancelled because of the tech issues and will be rescheduled 
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      · 4 days ago
      @SLB May I respectfully suggest you report this debacle to the media? Only more widespread media interest in this will perhaps concentrate the minds of those responsible for this farce. 
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      · 4 days ago
      @SLB @SLB, damn, how disappointing. One can't help but be paranoid. 
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    · 4 days ago
    ‘One Labour MP who identified winter fuel and Pip as the two key reasons for Labour's poor showing last week said the latter was a more acute problem.




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    · 4 days ago
    What about younger/middle-aged people who are facing losing ALL of their PIP AND Universal Credit health element (if the reforms to lump it all together as one are passed). All I keep hearing about is the winter fuel allowance and pension age PIP, I'm sorry but younger and middle aged claimants are facing an absolute catastrophe if these reforms are passed and yet very little attention is being given to us and our plight.
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      · 3 days ago
      @Txxd1
      Dear Txxd1.
      you will be elderly yourself one day. I am 77, never thought I would even reach this age.
      I must tell you it is not pleasant.  No care for me!  Have to struggle through alone and it's not easy. Am hobbling around on two crutches, lost a daughter to suicide in 2000.  Not my fault that I am now elderly and disabled. Do have some compassion!
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      · 3 days ago
      @Txxd1 You are hearing about them because they were the reasons given for Labour losing votes/seats in certain areas.
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      · 4 days ago
      @Txxd1 This is what happens when you split claimants into groups. In fighting is what the Government want. We are all in this together no matter age, goodness only knows what will happen to any of us whether pension age or mid twenties, the rules could be changed at any time. We need to stick together. 
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    · 4 days ago
    Wes Streeting says WFA being looked at but avoids any acknowledgement that wider benefits proposals were also brought up time and again on doorsteps. Another attempt to score points with the public whilst lying to them and to MPs about the true nature and scope of their wider welfare plans. 

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy0xee5krnno
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    · 4 days ago
    I have emailled my MP Joe Powell first thing this morning on these issues. So far hes been helpful. Will report back. 
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    · 4 days ago
    I would love to help with this but I have a slight issue in that 
    Supportive Nigel is surely a classic oxymoron?
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      · 4 days ago
      @Yorkie Bard I emailed Reform asking them to publicly declare what exactly they have in mind for disabled voters. As expected, not even a reply. They are not your friend and only obsessed with immigration.
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      · 4 days ago
      @Yorkie Bard Sorry - don't know how that happened but I thought I'd written:

      "I would love to help with this but I have a slight issue in that I live in Clacton.
      Clacton's MP is Nigel Farage!
      Supportive Nigel is surely a classic oxymoron?"
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