The DWP appears to be unable to organise the simplest of events when it comes to consulting about the Pathways To Work Green Paper, with its first virtual event becoming a deepening fiasco.

Last week we revealed that the blundering department had shared all the email addresses of the attendees, by listing them in the ‘To’ section of the joining email.

They then issued a non-apology email, blaming technical difficulties for having to cancel and then reschedule today’s Teams meeting.

This morning, when claimants attempted to join the consultation meeting, they were greeted by an error message and have so far heard nothing more from the department.

Ordinarily, each claimant would not have known whether they were the only one experiencing this error.

Happily, as the DWP had shared their email addresses they were able to communicate with each other.  At least a dozen who responded to enquiries said they had also received the same error message.  Nobody has said they were actually able to attend the meeting.

So whether it was a total failure or whether it went ahead with around half of it’s claimant participants missing we don’t know.

But we will let you know when we hear anything more.

Meanwhile, we understand that participants in the Manchester in-person consultation event on Wednesday 7 May, finally received details of the venue yesterday, on bank holiday Monday.

It’s almost as if the DWP don’t really want to consult with members of the public at all.

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    · 7 hours ago
    Ian Byrne, who represents Liverpool West Derby, said he would "swim through vomit to vote against" proposed welfare changes.

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      · 3 hours ago
      @Gingin Starmer and his crew should swim through vomit, then they'd know what we're put through justifying our claims.
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    · 7 hours ago
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/08/tell-us-how-will-labours-planned-disability-welfare-cuts-affect-you

    tell the guardian how these cuts would affect you, can be done anonymously if you wish
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    · 8 hours ago
    The Guardian are asking for people to share how the benefits cuts will affect them. It said the results will remain anonymous. I have posted the link here https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/08/tell-us-how-will-labours-planned-disability-welfare-cuts-affect-you
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      · 6 hours ago
      @Anniesmum Me and husband will each do this today
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    · 8 hours ago
    Hello all, currently abroad but following developments. One thing I would warn contributors: Reform, and possibly the Tories, would like to withdraw from the ECHR
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    · 9 hours ago
    Quelle surprise!
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    · 12 hours ago
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      · 3 hours ago
      @Anniesmum Good work, Richard from accounts and Anniesmum. I like how the debate is getting around, and bigger.
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    · 13 hours ago
    In the debate Stephen Timms again slid out of giving concrete reassurance that pensioners would be excluded from the measures, referring, as he did before, to the fact that pensioners are not routinely reviewed.

    But what if they are reviewed, in any way - light touch, routine, non-routine, fully? If they're on higher rate daily living but without 4 points in any descriptor would they lose pip entirely? What if they're on standard rate and their health deteriorates and they ask for an upgrade to higher rate - would they succeed if they accrued 12 points or more without a 4 point score; would they risk losing even standard rate without a 4 point score?

    Mr Timms, are recipients of pip over state pension age excluded, without exception, qualification or loophole, from the proposals to cut pip? It's yes or no. If no, what are the exceptions, qualifications or loopholes?
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      · 17 minutes ago
      @Dez I agree that even if Labour emerges victorious I still want their lies to be exposed. 
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      · 1 hours ago
      @Ask77 More like norman bates.
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      · 2 hours ago
      @sara Don't expect a response. The phantom down voter is known to haunt various posts for no apparent reason. Alas, this particular phantom is a notoriously shy and uncommunicative spirit.
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      · 3 hours ago
      @sara @down voter - care to share your rationale??
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      · 5 hours ago
      @sara Timm's refusal to concede to people who wanted to call him out infuriated me so much. If you truly stand by what you're saying and you're not just reading a script that Starmer handed you before patting you on the back and shoving you into the hall, surely you shouldn't have a problem defending it when people question you on it. 

      Though I got a glimmer of satisfaction about how rattled he appeared to be. He clearly did not want to be there and simply wanted to double down and get out of there as quickly as possible. A complete 180 from how he is when he was speaking to the Work and Pensions Committee back in February and everybody was just nodding along with everything he said.

      I only wish Starmer himself had been forced to sit through it. Even if I lose my benefits, I want to see that man get verbally torn into and called out for the vicious liar that he is before it happens. He's been given too much of an easy ride trying to conflate disability and claiming benefits - particularly PIP - with laziness and entitlement and, as it stands, the fact that MPs are refusing to level the arguments they put forth in that debate to him when it counts just makes them come across as a tad performative. With the exception of Diane Abbortt, of course. At least she's actually said what she said in that debate to his face when it counted, which is where his infamous 'moral case' speech came from. 
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    · 19 hours ago
    It’s time that someone takes these savage cuts to the Echr. The proposed change are a hairs breadth away from concentration camps. They probably will have to back track on the green paper to try and save themselves.  Article 3 of the human rights act protects you from mental or physical torture and inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment. 
    Even they never follow through on their plans what they are currently doing by mentally torturing the disabled now with the threats is surely in contravention of the above act. 
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      · 3 hours ago
      @James @James, you're right about the wearing down - that is what they do to us. None of us can wear them down, but many of us, with support from various sources, can, and I believe we will.
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      · 10 hours ago
      @Barney boy It would require for the legislation to pass first and then the UK courts to deal with the human rights issues before it can be raised with the ECHR. It is a wearing down process and it will take time and patience. The only people who can change the situation are the labour mps themselves by pressure, voting against it, and then challenging starmer & cos leadership
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    · 22 hours ago
    Watching the whole debate back now- Diane Abbot is a legend 

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      · 3 hours ago
      @Sick and Tired Yes it really bugged me he did not "give way" - just had his say, again, but we wont be silenced.
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      · 6 hours ago
      @Sick and Tired What he gets is - disability cuts are considered a vote winner by the Labour team and its advisors. So expect more of this performative cruelty to the disabled. 
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      · 10 hours ago
      @Gingin Thank you very much I too found this debate incredibly moving and powerful bought about by a woman who could easily have given up herself because of all the abuse she has encountered.  

      Thanks Gingin and really well done for attending that meeting at the House of commons and speaking up for us all.  Thanks also for your previous comment about one of my posts I was so upset yesterday preparing for my next assessment and it helped to post about how the system always trying to make you feel your claim is somehow fraudulent  - it was much appreciated.


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      · 10 hours ago
      @Gingin It is shocking that Stephen Timms just replied to the long debate with the same Government line. It was a short response and he only allowed 2 interventions from others. He does not get it, he does not care.
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      · 12 hours ago
      @Gingin I’m not sure but I think the chance to download and watch this May expire by around 9pm this eve
      Watching the whole debate, Rachel Maskill in particularly almost brought me to tears. Very passionate submissions by some MPs. And Diane Abbot hits every single point with expertise and is withering about the government’s methods and motives 
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    · 1 days ago
    Our organisation was in the Manchester consultation today it had 10 people there but was "sold outt". How is that meaningful consultation representing the disabled community? Why are these meetings going ahead half heartedly in rooms no bigger than you would have for an intimate gathering, when thousands were refused as each event closed access to tickets in days?

    I speak for over a million followers on our Fightback page currently covering all over the UK. We need meaningful discussions not lip service. We had plenty to say today as did the few there but staff seemed quite disinterested and uneducated a to the benefit or cuts planned. Our head speaker had her lunch at the table at the start and it was 40 minutes late starting but ended on time and had to be told what LCWRA was! How is that a meaningful consultation when the main elephant is the room are proposed PIP changes and it isn't even on the agenda.

    Thankfully Manchester campaigners and DPAC caused enough disruption outside and in the lobby to force the policy team in charge to let them in nd doscuss PIP proposals, as did we. But they weren't even on the list, neither was most of the other important proposed cuts. 

    The questions confused me and I have 1.5 law degrees how can anyone understand nough to respond to a question asking what should the Government put in place to help disabled people ease the transustion when they have the cuts implemented... How about not implementing the cuts that will have a huge butterfly effect on many government services that don't have the infrastructure to cope now!

    It made us very angry and I'm more than happy to discuss and highlight the failings in all of this but mostly the legal and constitutional obligation to consult and discuss with those who will be most affected fairly and meaningfully.

    That meeting today was far from meaningful. I felt like we were keeping the staff from their tea.
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      · 8 hours ago
      @Michelle Cardno Thanks Michelle, and to DPAC and all those who fought to gain access to the ‘consultation’. Reading your account of the event, it’s like some absurdist, dystopian farce. I’m due to attend the one in Cardiff but will I be completely wasting my train fare? If I don’t go, of course the government will use that as evidence that disabled people and their carers aren’t really that bothered about their devastating plans. 
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      · 20 hours ago
      @Michelle Cardno Can any of this be legally challenged down the line?
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    · 1 days ago
    I managed to read this about Diane Abbot’s debate today without subscribing- just scrolled the page up and read lines above the blocking pop up

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    · 1 days ago
    My Local  MP is in her 20s ,, more interested in Potholes ..has been  promoted to  the whips office  ... fails to answer e-mails  to the over  60's and frankly is not interested in discussing  anything contentious .... Many  of my  disabled friends  have started to put their affairs in  order and freely  admit  that  they are more  worried  about their wives,friends,carers  going forward than  themselves ....The stress of what  possibly could  happen is cruel as although  the  changes are supposedly not  happening  till 2026, the DWP are already using intimidation tactics ... I have secondary  progressive MS and have been ' advised ' that  i  will  have to  justify my disability ...that says it  all  .....
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    · 1 days ago
    When the unthinkable occurs to disabled people when or if these cuts happen I hope people personally sue Starmer, Reeves, Timms and Kendall. 
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      · 21 hours ago
      @Dave Dee Timms really is a despicable turncoat. Many on here thought his appointment could be a hopeful sign given how he spoke out against Tory cuts when in opposition, but no, he's as big a snake as the rest of them.
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      · 23 hours ago
      @Dave Dee Knowing what they are like I think when it comes down to it they’ll back off. But not before putting people through misery. I won’t ever forget what they are doing and I hope they face judgment for it. When I worked in Government they were just as callous and ruthless I will never forget that. Because I want justice. See what it’s like when the shoe is on the other foot. 
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    · 1 days ago
    The other thing is what happens to people who will lose PIP and LCWRA? So we're going to have people who are unemployable being placed into training or other LCW orientated engagement? It's completely ludicrous and dangerous. 

    All of this is being rushed through and Starmer will use every legal means to rush it through and Reform/Tories support it and in actuality would rather Labour go even further if that is possible because it's easy, the cuts will get laid at Labour's door and neither Reform or the Tories will electorally pay for it.

    Timms, Reeves, Rendall, Streeting and Starmer are the main protagonists in this saga. All 5 of them wouldn't be seen out of place on a Tory front bench.
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      · 18 hours ago
      @SLB You won't be able to get a sick/fit note anymore.  They've already sewn it up strategically, on the quiet, with GP surgeries across the country.  GP's have been instructed only to refer people to Employment advisors (work coaches) and no longer to issue Sick/fit notes.
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      · 21 hours ago
      @Dave Dee Yep.  Unless they get a sick/fit note to say they can't take part.  So there's going to be people deemed fit to work who are forever signed off sick.  So they can't work and lose their benefits.   Not only that, but the loss of LCWRA will also mean the loss of the work allowance, meaning those of us who do work a few hours (in my case: writing) will lose more of the money thus disincentivising (sp?) us to even do that. 
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    · 1 days ago
    I have now sent an email to my local MP, Clive Lewis about the matter.  I will report back if I hear anything from him.

    Dear Mr. Lewis

    I'm not sure if you can help in this matter.

    As you know, the consultation for the green paper dealing with changes to disability benefits is currently taking place. There are meetings both in person and online as part of this. Yesterday (May 6th) was due to be the first of the virtual meetings, dealing with chapter 2 of the green paper. I had a ticket.

    Last week, on May 1st at 15.44 an email was received by all participants, sent from events.pathwaystowork@dwp.gov.uk. It provided us with information about how to log in to the meeting via Teams. But there was a problem. The "to" section of the email revealed the email addresses of ALL participants - both individuals and those from organisations and charities. I sent an email back raising the issue. The meeting was cancelled, and a reply was received saying that there had a been a technical problem - which was clearly someone copying and pasting a list of email addresses into the "to" section instead of the "bcc" section. No apology was issued, despite this being a significant data breach. On May 2nd, we received another email with a new set of login information and instructions on joining the meeting on Tuesday 6th May at 10am.

    And then the meeting time came about. I tried to log in, but with no success. I emailed events.pathwaystowork@dwp.gov.uk to try sort it out, but there was no reply, and we had no other way of contacting them about the meeting. Looking at the list of emails we inadvertently received last week, we can see that there were 26 individuals with tickets for yesterday's meeting. By contactig them (rightly or wrongly - but the info was public by this point) I can confirm that no fewer than 13 of us were denied access to the meeting. The true number might be more. That means 50% of the disabled people wanting to discuss the issues raised in chapter 2 did not get the chance to do that, meaning if the meeting did go ahead (I have not heard from anyone who actually got into the meeting), we were not sufficiently represented.

    I have contacted events.pathwaystowork@dwp.gov.uk, asking that the meeting be rescheduled so we can take our rightful place in the discussion that we had tickets for. I have not heard anything back from them, and frankly don't expect to. There is nothing to say that future meetings will take place in a better way, and, if they don't, I'm wondering if this would actually make the consultation null and void, as the DWP (and therefore the government) are not running it in the way that they have promised. The data breach was bad enough - being denied entry into the meeting itself is even worse.

    I hope to hear back from you in order to find out where we can go from here. Can you put pressure on the DWP to (1) run these things professionally and (2) reschedule the meeting so that we have the ability to discuss the issues we have the right to. This is obviously a time sensitive matter, as the consultation doesn't run for long. Thank you.

    Best wishes
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      · 8 hours ago
      @Anon Thanks.  But those Labour stooges weren't around even a few weeks ago.  50,000 saw my letter to Stephen Timms and there was no-one like that responding (except for an Am
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      · 14 hours ago
      @SLB Let's get this right. You and 12 participants couldn't get into the meeting, and you don't know about the others because they've not replied to your email. Based on current info, only a maximum of 13 out of 26 members of the public may have attended.

      Now I'm cross referencing what you've said with Michelle's comment further up the page about there being a pathetically low attendance of 10 people at the Manchester consultation (compared to at most 13 in the virtual meeting).

      Call me suspicious and not trusting the DWP, but how can we be sure that they didn't deliberately overbook and once the required number of attendees (<=13) were in the meeting, everyone else was locked out the room? 
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      · 19 hours ago
      @SLB I've been watching you trying to inform and educate the Labour groupies on X and you have infinite levels of patience I never hope to achieve.

      That one individual putting words in your mouth about you seemingly advocating for Reform (because why are these people forgetting that the Lib Dems and Green also exist?) and going on about her disabled nephew and how he'll be looked after because he's a 'genuine case and not taking the mickey like SOME (presumably made-up) people I know' was a particularly infuriating individual.

      Even though the government have said 'genuinely disabled' people are going to be fine while also actively redefining what 'genuinely disabled' actually means so... 
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      · 21 hours ago
      @Gingin I am some days.  
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      · 1 days ago
      @SLB Thanks for chasing Slb, many would be defeated by now 
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    · 1 days ago
    Reporting back from the Carers APPG meeting I attended today- I’m typing this on my phone outside Westminster. I read out a statement of our circumstances and how the proposals will affect us and the group was sympathetic and asked several
     questions. They asked if they could share my statement more widely. They talked about how the PIP rule will have a negatively cascading effect on other benefits inc carers allowance. They also talked about whether they could push for consideration of tapering for Carers Allowance. And about how they think all those with a diagnosed degenerative condition shouldn’t be reassessed. 

    Diane Abbott’s debate about the proposals was happening at the same time and Anna Dixon MP (Chair of the Carers APPG) asked if I wanted to rush with her to catch the end. An MP was in the middle of telling Stephen Timms that these proposals should not be taken forward before impact assessment and that he didn’t think Mr Timms (I won’t call him Sir) would have pursued such a policy proposal in opposition. Timms responded with all the usual lines about unsustainability and supporting the most severely disabled. 

    Dianne Abbott spoke about lies being repeated. Several MPs who were clearly angry about the proposals tried to interject while Timms was talking but he only allowed a couple of them to. 

    The most infuriating part was when Timms repeated that government have been listening to disabled people. 

    At the end Anna Dixon actually raised my case and asked if someone with my husband’s neurological condition who didn’t previously get 4 points would be considered severely disabled and not for reassessment. Timms basically said he’s be happy to talk about it separately but they think they’d got the points levels about right. Yea, he actually said that (to paraphrase)

    At the end we were leaving and Timms was right behind me and I kept the bloody door open for him!! I struggled with this but my English manners came to the forefront. 

    I was also videod/interviewed for the Carers Uk campaign about these proposals. They encouraged me to not hold back. So I didn’t. 
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      · 18 hours ago
      @Moose Spot on, Moose, it's been my view from the start that there is no understanding in government of the workings of welfare, and not enough has been done to look into the domino effect of losing certain benefits. 

      The architects of these green paper proposals literally don't know what they are doing and cannot see that the cuts are unworkable. To implement them with no idea of the outcome would be disastrous, which is why the impact statement must come before the vote, which is a point many are making.
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      · 1 days ago
      @Gingin I think the real problem is that individual MPs who perhaps have never had any dealings with individual benefits and their rules are completely in over their heads and have no understanding of the issues being raised. Benefits is a vast and very intricate subject for anyone to understand. So when MPs are told of the issues by individuals, they just mentally park it in an area of their mind that just could be labelled as too difficult to understand. Thank you for your efforts. 
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    · 1 days ago

    It might be worth using this to keep up the pressure on Labour MPs. Add the 250,000 people their own impact assessment says will be newly driven into poverty by their proposed cuts to the 700,000 families already in poverty who will be further hit, then add those who also lose carer's allowance. That will easily be over a million of the poorest people in the country who will be clobbered. Any Labour MP who tries to defend that is asking for trouble, even those in supposedly safe seats. in fact there probably aren't many of those now.
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    · 1 days ago
    These errors are unforgivable. When the government act was passed that allowed the DWP to have access to claimants bank/building society accounts I wrote to my MP expressing concerns and referring to previous losses of date leaving CD;s and laptops on trains placing personal data in the hands of darkweb criminals. I was assured security was extremely tight and data would never be compromised. It seems my lack of confidence has been proved.
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    · 1 days ago
    Of course they don’t want us members of the public to go to these things etc plus making that Green paper so hard to understand … it’s for their benefit not ours. I notice that the media have played down this Green paper for backing us up and not even talked about. The whole thing is corrupt and really illegal but they have the powers to do what they want. I won’t get help from my MP as she’s the environment secretary for the Labour Party so she won’t want to loose her job by helping me and others 
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    · 1 days ago
    "It's almost as if"......"almost"......
    Let's be clear here, the DWP do not want to consult with members of the public, and will pull every trick in tbe book to minimise participation. The assault by this Government on the most vulnerable in society is abhorrent.  Let's be clear, people WILL die prematurely if these proposals go ahead.