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4 days 18 hours ago #313578 by Katiee
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I had my assessment last Thursday, which I asked to be recorded, I didn't receive a link to download it, and capita have said they don't have it stored digitally they only do CDs which is pretty useless. They said to call DWP. DWP say they don't even get the recordings. Shouldn't I be able to access it digitally as per their website?

I also received the report today, and I'd like a little clarification if possible.

The consultant report form has information that is irrelevant, and from my previous PIP application which looks to have been copied and pasted, however there are also parts from the assessment such as 'will use aids to help chop foods and cut food', 'eating 1 meal a day, reports having poor memory and will forget to eat' and 'reports they have a pill box and reminders due to poor memory...reports they are often late taking their medications as they forget to take them'. There are also many things missed out, and some things that are just plain assumptions.

I think my main question here is why, even if they have stated I struggle with things, when they have filled in the daily living & mobility bits have they ticked that I do not need any help with any of them? Ditto mobility.

I stressed that I suffer from after effects from doing activities, the help that I received and the aids I use, right down to the type of underwear I wear as I can't do a normal bra up, but she has seemingly contradicted herself when filling in the daily living portion.

She saying in the 'reported restrictions not supported' part that 'the evidence does not support a restriction'. What evidence do they need that will back up the fact that I pretty much hate my life because of the daily battles I have with literally everything?

Is there even any point going to MR?

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3 days 23 hours ago #313596 by BIS
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Hi Katiee

I don't know why you were told to contact the DWP about your recording. I copied this from their site

"After your appointment, you will receive a link to your recording by text message or email, and a separate text message with a one-time password. The password will expire after 24 hours and can only be used once to access and download your recording. This is to protect you and the information you provided at your appointment.

If you would like a CD copy of the recording, please let the health professional know. We will also keep a copy of the recording.

After your assessment, if you have any difficulties accessing your recording, or need a CD copy, please contact Capita." haas.capita.co.uk/en/benefit-types/pip/telephone-assessments

So they have not followed their own guidance. Get back onto them as they should still have a copy of your recording. Do be prepared for them to say that they have 'lost it'

With regard to the assessor saying that you don't need any help, even though you have said you do, they are simply giving their 'opinion', which differs from your own. This, unfortunately, happens to many claimants. Cut and paste jobs are also common.

With regard to "the evidence does not support a restriction", you understandably ask what evidence do you need to provide? That's a difficult one for me to answer, as I don't know what sort of argument you have been making, what evidence you gave, or what, specifically, the assessor is referring to. Again, you are not alone in receiving a remark like that in your assessment feedback.

Generally, assessors are looking for some sort of corroborating evidence to back up what a claimant has said, and this could come in different ways - official diagnosis, letters from professionals, or relatives or friends, care plans, diaries, it could be inferred from the dosage of medication taken, aids used, or support given.

Is it worth you putting in an MR? Only you can decide this. Only 27% of MRs are successful, but those that win certainly think it is worth it. Over 65% of Appeals are won, but again, although it is a hard slog, many people think it was worth doing.

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3 days 23 hours ago #313597 by denby
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Dear Katiee, this is just their rotten tactics. Please don't let them get you down and deny you what you should get. You'll get all the support you need from the Guides and this forum on how to do the MR and the likely Appeal to follow. It IS worth it.
I didn't even have to go through the appeal in the end, they phoned me and tried to cut a 'deal' for a part award, I called their bluff and refused this, and hey presto! 24 hours later I was given the max which I had given evidence for.
Best, Denby
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2 days 2 hours ago #313625 by Katiee
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Hi BIS, thanks for your reply.

I called Capita and asked for a CD, although I don't actually have any way of playing it or anything. I did, however, realise that I recorded the call myself as I still had the app I'd used when contacting access to work (a whole other set of issues with them too!) so I have evidence of what I actually said Vs what the assessor wrote.

I claimed for fibromyalgia which was diagnosed last year in the middle of a period of about 6 months where iw as so ill I was unable to work, ADHD, autism, depression & anxiety.

I provided diagnosis reports, Access to Work report, prescription list (covers ADHD and fibromyalgia medications) and some other bits. They looked at my assessment from January 2024 as evidence, as well as evidence submitted when I applied in 2023.

In the 'reported restrictions not supported' she has written, amongst other things that I have not been referred to a memory linic or has any tests for that, as well as attending a mainstream school without support (I left in 1998 and was diagnosed ADHD in 2024!), as well as driving a car with no adaptations so obviously have no issues with grip. She asked me how many hours I work, I said about 15 hours over 5 days, so she decided that means I work 5 days a week, and I travel the 1.5 miles to work every day with no problem. She even said I've had no time off despite me saying that after being homeless for a number of months and being unable to work, I had 6 months unable to work at all last year. I'm self employed, so I guess it doesn't count.

I'm just so worn out by everything right now. Maybe I don't experience the pain I think I do every day. Maybe it doesn't take me 25 minutes to shower, maybe I don't really forget to eat most days, and maybe I don't forget appointments or medication most days either.

It took over a year to get a tribunal last time which was awful, and again, basically said that because I work, I clearly don't have any problems.

It's obviously all just in my head.

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20 hours 22 minutes ago #313645 by Katiee
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I haven't had a decision yet, but judging by the assessors report, it will absolutely be zero points.

It's ridiculous that because I attended a mainstream school and got some GCSEs in 1998 without support because I was only diagnosed ADHD in 2024, I must have no problems.

I guess it's a case of wait and see, but be prepared.

My last application went to tribunal and it was horrific, I figured that because I knew there is a game to be played now, that it wouldn't be such a bad experience, but I guess that was just wishful thinking!

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16 hours 16 minutes ago #313666 by BIS
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Hi Katiee

I'm sorry that you are so worn out by this, but I am not surprised. Some of the rubbish they have been spouting is just ridiculous. You clearly have given them up-to-date evidence and to have a fixation about whether you had support at school for something you hadn't even been diagnosed with is simply below standard reporting (and that's the polite way of putting it).

And as for not being referred to a 'memory clinic' - that's up to a GP not you! She doesn't even know if they are available in the area you live in. It doesn't mean you don't have a problem because you haven't been referred.

I could go on - but I won't bore you with what I think - other than I want you to remember that this person does not know you. You are the expert of your condition and how it impacts you. You know none of what you've described is your imagination, and please don't let some complete stranger eat away at your self-esteem or self-belief and your lived experience. It's not easy when you feel like you've been hit with a sledgehammer and you're not believed, but you have enough difficulties without letting one person's opinion get to you - even though the consequences are so depressing.

I hope that if you want to, you will put in for an MR if you get the result you are expecting. You know the chances of winning are small - but unfortunately, that's the process and there are still 27% of people who win.

I don't know whether in your evidence that you used what we called the 'reliability criteria'. Many claimants fall down on their PIP because they haeven't used this enough to emphasise their problems. I don't know whether you did or not (thought you seem to have mentioned that it takes you a long time to shower). - but you certainly need to for a Mandatory Reconsideration See page 17 of the Guide to PIP claims and Reviews.

It says: According to the guidance, ‘reliably’ means whether you can do so:
• Safely – in a fashion that is unlikely to cause harm to themselves or to another person. (See the
‘Safety and supervision’ section immediately below for more on this).
• To a necessary and acceptable standard – given the nature of the activity.
• Repeatedly – as often as is reasonably required.
• In a reasonable time period, no more than twice as long as a person without a physical or mental
health condition would take to carry out the activity.

Clearly if you just take your ability to shower i I would be arguing that you can't do it safely (balance issues due to pain and exhaustion with fibro, and the time it takes you to shower makes you less safe), to a necessary standard (pain and reduced mobility will make it difficult to wash effectively) - repeatedly (fibro probably means you don't shower as often as you would like to) - in a reasonable time period (25 mins is not reasonable). And that's my thoughts without knowing you. You may have other things you can add in here.

If you go for an MR - go back through every question and refute what the assessor has said using some of the reliability criteria. You don't have to use every point for every question. Just one of them is enough to say that you can't do it. Do go to the guide and read it all - because I just took a snippet. It's only a couple of pages.

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