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1 week 2 days ago #311720 by David
Replied by David on topic moving from IR ESA (WRAG) to UC LCW
Hi Invisible

I would send a UC Journal message and choose from Recipients A Payment which means that your message will be routed to the UC Case Manager. All you have to say is that - I was in receipt of payments of ESA at the date of Managed Migration so my WRAG/LCW status by law is carried across to my new UC claim and a Fit Note is not required.

Let me know how you get on.
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1 week 2 days ago #311723 by Invisible
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Will do, thank you so much David!
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5 days 2 hours ago #311823 by Invisible
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Hi David,

I have a video interview. I have been asked to provide accounts for the past 12 months. Normally I don't have a problem with that: the DWP asked me for this before twice, until about two years ago.

My question is, why would the UC team want to see what I have been doing for the past 12 months, since this was under ESA, not UC? To me it seems they just want to make things harder. Or is this standard fare? What do you think?

I'll paste below the other things I'll be asked for, but maybe they just include stuff that they don't ask for, or at least not all of it. Can you have a look and let me know what you think? Thanks!

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About your appointment

At your self-employment interview, we'll decide if you're 'gainfully self-employed'.

You will need to show evidence that your self-employment work is:

your main job or main source of income
expected to make profit
getting regular work
organised, for example you keep records of your business activities
What you need to bring

Bring as much evidence as you can to your appointment.

Business details
You'll need to show evidence of your business details, for example:

business name
business address
the date you first started doing business
Unique Taxpayer Reference (UTR) from HMRC, if you have one
VAT registration number, if you're registered for VAT
Business records
You'll need to show evidence of your business records, for example:

invoices
receipts
bank statements
tax returns
records of customers, suppliers or contracts
Business activities
You'll need to show evidence of your business activities, for example:

your business website
business social media accounts
any marketing activities or materials
a business plan or portfolio
Other evidence to support your claim
You can also show additional evidence to support your claim, for example:

letters from HMRC and other official sources
payslips, if you work for someone else as well as being self-employed
business certificates, such as for insurance or professional accreditation
If you cannot show enough evidence, you may have to look for other work in order to claim Universal Credit. This will depend on your circumstances.

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3 days 7 hours ago #311840 by Invisible
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Hi David,

''Also as you have LCW you cannot be labelled as " gainfully self employed ". ''

What if I 'tick all the boxes', except for the low profit (£100-200 a month)?
I.e. :

I have been doing my self assessment with HRMC for the last several years;

my book keeping is good enough;

I am a registered business (as sole trader);

etc... I ask this because the UC team seems to be completely ignoring that I ha the WRAG when I moved to UC, or so it seems. I have a video interview tomorrow and it wrote this in my journal:

'' Business details You'll need to show evidence of your
business details, for example:
business name
business address
the date you first started doing business
Unique Taxpayer Reference (UTR) from
HMRC, if you have one
VAT registration number, if you're
registered for VAT
Business records You'll need to show evidence of your
business records, for example:
invoices
receipts
bank statements
tax returns
records of customers, suppliers or
contracts
Business activities You'll need to show evidence of your
business activities, for example:
your business website
business social media accounts
any marketing activities or materials
a business plan or portfolio
Other evidence to
support your claim
You can also show additional evidence to
support your claim, for example:
letters from HMRC and other official
sources
payslips, if you work for someone else as
well as being self-employed
business certificates, such as for insurance
or professional accreditation
If you cannot show enough evidence, you may have to look for other
work in order to claim Universal Credit. This will depend on your
circumstances. ''

I can supply all this evidence. My understanding is that even so, I should not be deemed 'gainfully self-employed' because I had the WRAG, am I correct?

Thanks!

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22 hours 57 minutes ago #311921 by latetrain
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Hi Invisible

You have to remember ESA WRAG is different to UC LCW. If your self-employed earnings are low, your UC may recalculated using a minimum income floor, unless you are in a12 month start-up period. The minimum income floor is an assumed level of earnings based on the number of hours you are expected to look for and be available for work and applies if you are in the all work related requirements group.

One of the reasons for asking for bank statements, DWP can see from the ESA payments what elements you received.

Gary

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