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2 weeks 1 day ago #305917 by BIS
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2 weeks 3 hours ago #305989 by jakkijax
Thanks for your reply. Im confused now. Are you a board guide ? Why do you say dony mention regs as I will be deemed a fraud.
I am definitely not a fraud and yes I am educated to a high standard. Does that negate me from pip ? I hope not.
Thanks J
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No don't mention 'legislation' this will make you look a fraud and too intelligent. Remember it's how your condition AFFECTS you . Don't just put same as last time, DWP need reminding. It's usually in 3 parts :- A is How you function ,B is usually any specail equipment or specialised treatment, C if you need someone professional to help you or & need prompting - even you don't get it ,write that you need it but don't recieve it. Don't worry about bad grammer spelling and handwriting this will show that your stressed by filling it in .Photocopy the form and lastly send it by Special Delivery, so the DWP can't accidentally on purpose lose the form ,and you can track it .
Thanks for your reply. Im confused now. Are you a board guide ? Why do you say dony mention regs as I will be deemed a fraud.
I am definitely not a fraud and yes I am educated to a high standard. Does that negate me from pip ? I hope not.
Thanks J
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1 week 6 days ago #306003 by jakkijax
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Heeelllpp I'm panicking now as kitty said what they did. I am well educated and not a fraud. Why would they think that because I can put a decent case together?
Surely kitty can't be correct. Why does everyone claiming pip have to be dull and a fraud if you can articulate yourself. ? Im paniking now. Dont know what to put.
Surely kitty can't be correct. Why does everyone claiming pip have to be dull and a fraud if you can articulate yourself. ? Im paniking now. Dont know what to put.
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1 week 6 days ago #306041 by LL26
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Hi jakkijax,
I'm sorry that you feel confused. I think it is really important to remind DWP of the reliability criteria as mentioned in my previous post. No need to mention the actual word 'legislation ' when doing this. Just say "I'm not safe because..." "I can't do X repeatedly...".
I would actually refer to 'Reg. 7'' of this is relevant. Sometimes ( but perhaps more usually if you have to o MR or appeal then you might want even to quite the exact legal meaning if eg a descriptor test if DWP have not applied the law correctly.
There is a lot of information about PIP on the Internet generally so most claimants now know the correct tests and law. Unfortunately in my opinion based on many years as a benefits adviser the decisions from DWP are somewhat random. Some claimants with very obvious and well evidenced disability have to go to MR and appeal to tribunal, but others with similar disability and scarcely any or indeed no evidence get an appropriate award soon after they send in the claim form.
Thus whether or not DWP will actually take into account safety issues etc is hard to say, but there is a big danger that if you don't mention these issues on the claim form then your case might not be very strong.
There is a way round the problem of 'looking too intelligent'. Sit down with a trusted friend or relative and get them to fill out the form. (You just tell the answers, and stress you can't be acceptable, can't finish in a reasonable time....') Then at the end of the form or somewhere prominent next to the signature add a note 'This form was written by [my husband/friend] on my behalf. Or alternatively ( which again is totally true!) Just add a note to say that you have had help from a benefits advice organisation in order to complete the form)
Have another look at the members guides. Look at each descriptor set.
Each has a heading. Ask yourself a set of questions. Firstly just thinking about the heading - do I have problems with eg Taking Nutrition - the guides will explain that this is to do with physical eating and drinking.
Next question- if yes what problems do I have? Could an aid etc help? If not do I need a person's help and why? Help to chop food. Supervision to prevent choking. Supervision to prevent spitting out and not swallowing etc The therapeutic feeding is specialist tube feeding. Finally 2f deals with the inability to convey both food and drink to the mouth and needs someone else to do this. This is obviously only going to be awarded for profoundly disabled people.
If you decide you need supervision it is almost certainly going to be because you are not safe. Hence what s the problem about mentioning this? Similarly if fatigueir pain is your problem and you are unlikely to be able to repeat tge task across the whole day as many times as reasonably required - again thus references another of the reliability criteria.
Filling out PIP forms is soul destroying and confusing at any time. The important thing is to try and explain your disability as best as you can giving examples of what goes wrong and the help required. If DWP chooses to ignore your disability because it is one of their 'random' nul points. Yes it is a set back. Shout scream and rage if you must but then sit back grit teeth and breathe! Pick up the pen or laptop to complete the MR and or appeal form. You say it how it is. You are not a fraud. Most importantly don't worry.
I hope this clarifies.
LL26
I'm sorry that you feel confused. I think it is really important to remind DWP of the reliability criteria as mentioned in my previous post. No need to mention the actual word 'legislation ' when doing this. Just say "I'm not safe because..." "I can't do X repeatedly...".
I would actually refer to 'Reg. 7'' of this is relevant. Sometimes ( but perhaps more usually if you have to o MR or appeal then you might want even to quite the exact legal meaning if eg a descriptor test if DWP have not applied the law correctly.
There is a lot of information about PIP on the Internet generally so most claimants now know the correct tests and law. Unfortunately in my opinion based on many years as a benefits adviser the decisions from DWP are somewhat random. Some claimants with very obvious and well evidenced disability have to go to MR and appeal to tribunal, but others with similar disability and scarcely any or indeed no evidence get an appropriate award soon after they send in the claim form.
Thus whether or not DWP will actually take into account safety issues etc is hard to say, but there is a big danger that if you don't mention these issues on the claim form then your case might not be very strong.
There is a way round the problem of 'looking too intelligent'. Sit down with a trusted friend or relative and get them to fill out the form. (You just tell the answers, and stress you can't be acceptable, can't finish in a reasonable time....') Then at the end of the form or somewhere prominent next to the signature add a note 'This form was written by [my husband/friend] on my behalf. Or alternatively ( which again is totally true!) Just add a note to say that you have had help from a benefits advice organisation in order to complete the form)
Have another look at the members guides. Look at each descriptor set.
Each has a heading. Ask yourself a set of questions. Firstly just thinking about the heading - do I have problems with eg Taking Nutrition - the guides will explain that this is to do with physical eating and drinking.
Next question- if yes what problems do I have? Could an aid etc help? If not do I need a person's help and why? Help to chop food. Supervision to prevent choking. Supervision to prevent spitting out and not swallowing etc The therapeutic feeding is specialist tube feeding. Finally 2f deals with the inability to convey both food and drink to the mouth and needs someone else to do this. This is obviously only going to be awarded for profoundly disabled people.
If you decide you need supervision it is almost certainly going to be because you are not safe. Hence what s the problem about mentioning this? Similarly if fatigueir pain is your problem and you are unlikely to be able to repeat tge task across the whole day as many times as reasonably required - again thus references another of the reliability criteria.
Filling out PIP forms is soul destroying and confusing at any time. The important thing is to try and explain your disability as best as you can giving examples of what goes wrong and the help required. If DWP chooses to ignore your disability because it is one of their 'random' nul points. Yes it is a set back. Shout scream and rage if you must but then sit back grit teeth and breathe! Pick up the pen or laptop to complete the MR and or appeal form. You say it how it is. You are not a fraud. Most importantly don't worry.
I hope this clarifies.
LL26
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1 week 6 days ago #306045 by jakkijax
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Thankyou so much... conditions i have. Fybromyalgia.. polymyalgia...IBS.. Bile acid malabsorption. Asthma. Celiac disease. Borderline personality disorder and complex post traumatic stress disorder. So I am defiantly not a fraud. Use to have a very responsible job. Thanks again. J
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1 week 6 days ago #306060 by LL26
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Hi jakkijax,
Just a thought....
I believe that borderline personality disorder is also called EUPD which if memory serves right is emotional unstable personality disorder. You may wish to write this as a side note.
Borderline personality disorder is an unfortunate term, to the rather uninitiated assessor or decision maker borderline suggests you are not really unwell. ( Yes, it has happened!) As you may know, borderline is because the condition was originally thought to be on the divide between psychosis and neurosis. Websites such as mentalhealth-uk.org/help-and-information...isorder/what-is-bpd/
Explain this. There is a list of symptoms which you may experience. You could refer to this website or another trusted site such as NHS or similar and explain what BPD is and if you experience several of the symptoms in the list why not say that eg 6/7 are relevant for you.
Good luck.
Keep us updated how things go.
LL26
Just a thought....
I believe that borderline personality disorder is also called EUPD which if memory serves right is emotional unstable personality disorder. You may wish to write this as a side note.
Borderline personality disorder is an unfortunate term, to the rather uninitiated assessor or decision maker borderline suggests you are not really unwell. ( Yes, it has happened!) As you may know, borderline is because the condition was originally thought to be on the divide between psychosis and neurosis. Websites such as mentalhealth-uk.org/help-and-information...isorder/what-is-bpd/
Explain this. There is a list of symptoms which you may experience. You could refer to this website or another trusted site such as NHS or similar and explain what BPD is and if you experience several of the symptoms in the list why not say that eg 6/7 are relevant for you.
Good luck.
Keep us updated how things go.
LL26
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