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- Anisty
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4 days 8 hours ago #307610 by Anisty
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Almost 2 months on from the overpayment letter and have not heard a thing since.
It is now over 6 months since the claim closed and the journal has disappeared from the online account (when i click journal it no longer takes me to the journal but, instead, to a message saying the claim was closed in November)
But i can still see the entire payment history. Is that normal? There is still a UC account to log into - it doesn't just say no account exists under that username?
Does the UC account ever disappear entirely?
Also - as no journal seems to be there now - does that mean any future correspondance from DWP will be by letter? (ie if they decide they want more money back?)
In a seperate (but slighly related!) matter, my son and I had a bad experience with HSBC yesterday on their phone line. This is a joint bankaccount in both our names but they would not allow me to order a new debit card for my son.
I passed the phone to him as he can speak and is perfectly able to confirm simple details name, date of birth, home address etc.
But that was not enough for hsbc who started asking questions like the 3rd and 8th digit of his card number (too hard for him) and then wanted him to say where a £110 debit went to on 14th july.
No such amount went in or out of the account on that date. I took the phone off my son, pointed out it is a joint account and i would answer the questions.
But, no, that was not ok. Failed security, no debit card and we now face a 4hr round trip by bus to our nearest HSBC branch with photo ID!!!!!
I am still furious and i made a complaint already. Bearing in mind the account is in my name too, they had spoken to my son plus we were only ordering a debit card to be posted to the home address.
The entire reason a joint account was set up was so that i could address these sorts of things and i have never faced this before. The account has been open 9 years with no issue.
Anyway - i would close it but for the fact that UC could come looking for old bank statements and it will be easy to get them from an open account but not a closed one.
And then i thought - i wonder if dwp has put some kind of marker over our account. It did seem ridiculous with security and asking about a transaction that does not exist.
We have a booked appt at the branch next week so no doubt all will be revealed. I will take evidence that my son is under a legal guardianship. There are no financial powers but i do have welfare powers and ordering a debit card might fall under that.
Whatever, they will see that putting a mentally incapable adult through the nth degree was totally unacceptable for the purpose of getting a new debit card. He already has a debit card which is damaged. It was simply a replacement.
It is now over 6 months since the claim closed and the journal has disappeared from the online account (when i click journal it no longer takes me to the journal but, instead, to a message saying the claim was closed in November)
But i can still see the entire payment history. Is that normal? There is still a UC account to log into - it doesn't just say no account exists under that username?
Does the UC account ever disappear entirely?
Also - as no journal seems to be there now - does that mean any future correspondance from DWP will be by letter? (ie if they decide they want more money back?)
In a seperate (but slighly related!) matter, my son and I had a bad experience with HSBC yesterday on their phone line. This is a joint bankaccount in both our names but they would not allow me to order a new debit card for my son.
I passed the phone to him as he can speak and is perfectly able to confirm simple details name, date of birth, home address etc.
But that was not enough for hsbc who started asking questions like the 3rd and 8th digit of his card number (too hard for him) and then wanted him to say where a £110 debit went to on 14th july.
No such amount went in or out of the account on that date. I took the phone off my son, pointed out it is a joint account and i would answer the questions.
But, no, that was not ok. Failed security, no debit card and we now face a 4hr round trip by bus to our nearest HSBC branch with photo ID!!!!!
I am still furious and i made a complaint already. Bearing in mind the account is in my name too, they had spoken to my son plus we were only ordering a debit card to be posted to the home address.
The entire reason a joint account was set up was so that i could address these sorts of things and i have never faced this before. The account has been open 9 years with no issue.
Anyway - i would close it but for the fact that UC could come looking for old bank statements and it will be easy to get them from an open account but not a closed one.
And then i thought - i wonder if dwp has put some kind of marker over our account. It did seem ridiculous with security and asking about a transaction that does not exist.
We have a booked appt at the branch next week so no doubt all will be revealed. I will take evidence that my son is under a legal guardianship. There are no financial powers but i do have welfare powers and ordering a debit card might fall under that.
Whatever, they will see that putting a mentally incapable adult through the nth degree was totally unacceptable for the purpose of getting a new debit card. He already has a debit card which is damaged. It was simply a replacement.
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1 day 3 hours ago #307723 by latetrain
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Replied by latetrain on topic Universal Credit overpayment
Hi Anisty
There is so much scamming going on that banks have to take due diligence, they are in a impossible position, they get slated if they take no action and slated if they take action.
I know it can be very frustrating, I frequently hear about people loosing their life savings or even their property due to unscrupulous scammers who have no moral standard.
Gary
There is so much scamming going on that banks have to take due diligence, they are in a impossible position, they get slated if they take no action and slated if they take action.
I know it can be very frustrating, I frequently hear about people loosing their life savings or even their property due to unscrupulous scammers who have no moral standard.
Gary
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1 day 3 hours ago #307726 by Angel
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Replied by Angel on topic Universal Credit overpayment
Hi Anisty,
Usually, once more than 6 months have passed since the last UC payment on an account, it can't be used to make a new claim and a new account would need to be created (see www.citizensadvice.org.uk/benefits/unive...or-universal-credit/) so it's possible it may disappear at some point. If you haven't already done so, you might want to take screenshots of anything useful in there in case it does disappear.
If you not longer have a journal then any correspondence would likely be in a letter. If there is a further overpayment, you can expect to get a decision letter about the underlying issue that caused it (i.e.- the capital) and then separate correspondence from DWP debt management about any proposed recovery.
Guidance on overpayments can be found in the DWP's debt management recovery guide (www.gov.uk/government/publications/benef...yment-recovery-guide) - you may be particularly interested in the information in there on the DWP's discretion not to recover should it come to that.
Best wishes
Usually, once more than 6 months have passed since the last UC payment on an account, it can't be used to make a new claim and a new account would need to be created (see www.citizensadvice.org.uk/benefits/unive...or-universal-credit/) so it's possible it may disappear at some point. If you haven't already done so, you might want to take screenshots of anything useful in there in case it does disappear.
If you not longer have a journal then any correspondence would likely be in a letter. If there is a further overpayment, you can expect to get a decision letter about the underlying issue that caused it (i.e.- the capital) and then separate correspondence from DWP debt management about any proposed recovery.
Guidance on overpayments can be found in the DWP's debt management recovery guide (www.gov.uk/government/publications/benef...yment-recovery-guide) - you may be particularly interested in the information in there on the DWP's discretion not to recover should it come to that.
Best wishes
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