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PIP Reconsideration Decision
- smileybob
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Could someone help me please?
I have fibromyalgia and suffer from lots of symptoms including fibro fog, tiredness, confusion and pain etc etc.
I had my PIP form filled in by CAB as I have problems filling in forms and reading things.
I had a home assessment by ATOS a couple of months ago and some of the things I explained were not considered for some reason.
I explained to the lady that I can read a understand basic information but not complex and the same with budgeting.
I also explained that I needed help to travel to unfamiliar places as I have confidence issues as well as confusion and the feeling of being out of control and not able to take in everything going on around me. I'm ok if I go somewhere I've been before as I know the route and can take in what's going on around me and feel safe.
She asked me to take 7 away from 100 and repeat but I could only go to 93.
She asked me to remember three words and I could only remember 2.
My decision notice came back and I didn't get the home help or the mobility.
I got Daily living activity 7 points (I got points for sections that I never applied for on the form, as I thought I was ok, she brought up some scenarios I never thought about that scored me points)
Mobility 4 points
I asked for it to be looked at again and explained that I have trouble reading and taking information in, especially complex writing and complex budgeting, also I explained that I had trouble planning unfamiliar Journeys even when using public transport ( I can go into detail if you need me to later).
I asked them send to me a copy of all documents and evidence relied upon to produce the PIP decision dated 2nd September 2015 (I did not get this).
Today I have received the PIP decision and I have scanned through briefly as I find it hard to take in everything in the letter (my wife will read it through for me when she get home from work), although I know what I'm looking for (if that makes sense) I still have no further points added.
a couple of things from the decision makers reasoning:
Regarding the reading - it was not on my original claim questionnaire (neither was the daily living allowance, but I got 7 points?)
It says I can read complex information most of the time even though I have concentration problems.
It also states I cannot consider any help you nee not covered by the activites for daily living and mobility, including ability to work, stairs, use of public transport and walking on slopes or uneven surfaces.
If the above is the case then how am I meant to get around? I cannot walk very far, I spend most of my day lying down as 'Im in constant pain, over walking (in excess of 200 metres) or repeated walking causes me excruciating pain and can cause a flair up (which ive explained to them) so I will be stuck at home then!!!!
I hope all of the above makes sense, I haven't read the whole document, which is very frustrating, but I needed to get the ball rolling on this.

I believe my next step is to go to tribunal, If anyone could please, please help me, maybe suggest a letter to write or how I should argue my condition and its affects etc, I would be very appreciative.
Many thanks
Robert
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With regard your going forward to appeal, have a look at our PIP Appeal guide that explains the process and has a link to the form you will need to complete and instructions on how to complete it. There are also template letters and submission that you can use for the appeal in the same section. See
www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/help-for-claimants/pip
It's important that you understand the criteria against which you are being assessed so that you can show that you meet it. For example the Descriptors for reading are.
a. Can read and understand basic and complex written information either unaided or using
spectacles or contact lenses. 0 points.
b. Needs to use an aid or appliance, other than spectacles or contact lenses, to be able to
read or understand either basic or complex written information. 2 points.
c. Needs prompting to be able to read or understand complex written information. 2 points.
d. Needs prompting to be able to read or understand basic written information. 4 points.
e. Cannot read or understand signs, symbols or words at all. 8 points.
Looking at these in slightly more detail;
- you don't mention problems with your actual sight so (b) would seem not to apply.
- You don't mention it but do you need prompting in order to read complex or basic written information, this would be relevant to (c) and (d)
- You seem to be assessing yourself as meeting (e). Can you show that you cannot reliably for the majority of days understand signs, symbols or words at all?
As to the Mobility, you scored 4 points for mobility, this seems consistent with your post, that you cannot reliably walk more than 200m. Have a good look at the Going Out Descriptor to see if you meet any of these, you will need to apply the same critique of your abilities?
Did you score for budgeting and if not, what did you score for? There is a risk if you scored points for activities that you did not expect to, that you may lose these in attempting to score points for those that you did.
Gordon
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- smileybob
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It's (e) for reading that I should qualify for.
I can read simple written info but not complex, I can't take the info in, it's not registering for me, I get frustrated and confused.
For budgeting I didn't score any points.
I can again do simple transactions but when it comes to budgeting and future planning I am not able to do it, my wife has to deal with the incoming and outgoing expenses and bills as I'm lost with it all, again I get confused and frustrated and I forget things a lot .
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- Gordon
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I think you will struggle to meet (e) , if you wrote these posts on the forum then this would suggest that you can read complex written information.
If you want to challenge the Decision and you have nothing to lose by doing so, then you need to appeal to HM Courts and Tribunal Service, have a look at the PIP Appeal guide which has a link to the form you need to complete and instructions on how to complete it.
Your primary task is to show that you meet the criteria, there are many reasons you may have failed, you need to address each of these but don't get bogged down in criticising the assessment report unless you can clearly show that it is incorrect, it is a lot easier to argue the facts of the situation;
"the assessor recorded that I walked 50m, I did but they have failed to document that I had to stop every 10m for a rest due to breathlessness"
than their opinions
"based on my observations of the claimant walking I believe that they can reliably walk more than 200m.
When you have a better idea of the issues with your claim, come back to the forum and we will do our best to help.
Gordon
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- smileybob
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I could write the posts as the information was already in my head and I just needed to write it, when it comes to reading and processing the info I struggle to take it in, it doesn't sink in and I get frustrated and can't remember things.
I've been today to a disability advisory centre and gone through the forms, he has been really helpful and I now know what points I need to address, I had my pip forms filled in by cab and because the complex reading part was in the description part of the form it was missed as I didn't read it as I couldn't (it was complex). I have a couple of letters to write when I can sit back at the computer again as I'm in lots of pain.
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smileybob wrote: Hi Gordon,
I could write the posts as the information was already in my head and I just needed to write it, when it comes to reading and processing the info I struggle to take it in, it doesn't sink in and I get frustrated and can't remember things.
I've been today to a disability advisory centre and gone through the forms, he has been really helpful and I now know what points I need to address, I had my pip forms filled in by cab and because the complex reading part was in the description part of the form it was missed as I didn't read it as I couldn't (it was complex). I have a couple of letters to write when I can sit back at the computer again as I'm in lots of pain.
You will need to explain your limitation in detail and give examples of how you are effected, make sure you make reference to "reliably" and the "majority of days" as applicable.
Gordon
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