Many commentors on the Benefits and Work website have expressed confusion about where a series of government concessions since Friday, culminating in yesterdays final hour climbdown, leave them.  We’re not surprised.  As one Labour MP said in the debate “I popped out for a banana earlier on and, when I came back in, things had changed again. “

We’ve done our best to explain how matters currently stand with Labour’s welfare reform shambles.

Pip 4-point rule

Last week the government announced that current claimants would be protected from the PIP 4-point rule in the Universal Credit and Personal Independence Payment Bill.  Instead, it would only affect new claimants from November 2026.

But in virtually the final hour of the debate last night, Timms told the Commons:

"I can announce that we are going to remove the clause five from the bill at committee, that we will move straight to the wider review, sometimes referred to as the Timms review, and only make changes to PIP eligibility, activities and descriptors following that review."

Clause 5 is the 4-point rule.

What this means is that the 4-point rule is being removed entirely from the bill.  It will not apply to any claimants at all, at any time.  There is no PIP 4-point rule for anyone.  

Instead, any changes to PIP will be decided by the Timms review. 

 Universal credit

New universal credit (UC) health element claimants from April 2026 will still see their UC health element almost halved and frozen.

Existing UC LCWRA claimants were already protected in the bill  from the cut to the UC health element and in a further concession they are to be protected from the freeze.

Severe conditions criteria

There have been no changes to the extremely hard to meet severe conditions criteria as a result of last night’s debate.

Everything else

The bill only covers those three issues.  Every other proposal, such as the abolition of the WCA, the proposal to amalgamate contributory ESA and JSA into a single time limited contributory benefit  and not paying 18-21 year old PIP recipients the health element of UC is not affected by last night’s vote.  They will all require separate legislation of their own.

Timms review

The Timms review was not due to report until after the 4-point rule had already started.  Now, any changes to PIP will have to wait until after the Timms review makes its recommendations.

In theory, the review could recommend bringing in the 4-point rule.  In practice that would be extraordinarily politically damaging and also unnecessary.  There are many more ways that Labour can cut eligibility to PIP without using that particular device, which was adopted mainly because it was quick and easy to implement.

The review is very wide ranging and is likely to make considerable changes to the PIP assessment, not least as the new single assessment is intended to be the gateway to the UC health element, if the WCA is scrapped. So the points system may look very different by the time Timms reports.

The review is supposed to be coproduced with disabled people.  But what that means in practice we have yet to see.  Green Paper consultations have been an insulting farce and we know the government is keen to halt the rising cost of PIP. 

We also know that Timms is a zealot when it comes to the idea that cutting people’s benefits will make them more likely to find work.

Plus, the secretary of state, currently Liz Kendall, gets to make the final decision on what changes are brought before parliament after the review reports.

So there are still difficult times ahead.

Was there anything positive about last night’s result?

This depends on your point of view. 

The government got their bill through its first vote and that is undoubtedly a bad thing. 

New disabled claimants of UC from April 2026 will be hit very hard by the cut and freeze to the health element.

And the Timms review could still attempt to impose severe cuts on PIP.

But, disabled people and disability groups took on a government with a majority of 165 and an utter contempt for disabled claimants.  They were forced to fight against a bill that was only published on 18 June and is being rushed through parliament at breakneck speed to try to prevent opposition.

And yet, with everything in their favour, the government have been forced into a series of humiliating concessions.  The centrepiece of the bill, the PIP 4-point rule is gone and with it, almost all the £5 billion in savings that Labour planned to make on the backs of disabled claimants.

In fact, there have been so many changes to the bill that even the name is wrong now – it has nothing to do with personal independence payment anymore.  

So yes, in our view there are some very positive things about last night.  But, unfortunately, that doesn’t mean the fight doesn’t go on and on . . . starting with the third reading of the bill on 9 July.

Correction:  we referred to a government amendment in a previous update, this was in fact an amendment from Steve Darling, Liberal Democrat MP.  Thanks to John for pointing this out. 

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    · 23 hours ago
    They want be making similar mistakes going forward they are determined to make savings. 
    Hopefully we are now waiting on a couple of reviews to be published this autumn which will feed into the Timms review. 
    However, we are going to be in choppy waters throughout the rest of this parliament and who ever is in government in the next parliament, both Reform & the Conservatives have said they will go harder and deeper to reform the benefit system with their primary focus on reducing how much and who they will pay money to.
    It’s said, but I’m wishing the years away to reach state retirement age and hopefully have a bit of a safety net!
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      · 14 hours ago
      @TwistedWitch Don't worry, @TwistedWitch, gutter cleaning is a working age commitment and only for new claimants.

      Joking apart, and I'm serious now, there has been word of scams involving offers to clean gutters. It's the new solar panel/insulate your loft.
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      · 16 hours ago
      @Boo I totally understand that. I wished my life away for 6 years waiting to get to 66. I cannot tell you the immense relief when that birthday kicked in. Weirdly though there was also a sense of anti climax. Living on tenterhooks for such a long time plays havoc with your mental health. I'm two years past that stage now and almost at peace with it. But having said that I received a brown envelope of doom last week and my stomach dropped even though I am largely (apart from PIP) out of their clutches. It was from a guttering company wanting to clean my gutters, but the old adrenalin had kicked in the moment I saw it and I thought I was going to faint. Does that fear ever go away totally, only time will tell.
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      · 18 hours ago
      @Boo Same here Boo. I'm retirement age in a couple of years. I know exactly what you mean
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      · 19 hours ago
      @Boo I feel the same. And scared he’s going to raise the age before I can get to 67
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      · 23 hours ago
      @Boo Sorry meant to say it’s sad I’m wishing my lift away to reach state retirement age so hopefully I’m safe.
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    · 23 hours ago
    @HL, thanks for your question. I've responded on the previous thread (and given you some homework 😉)
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    · 23 hours ago
    Mental health affects the whole wider community not just the people who struggle with it and there families but potentially the wider community, by Hating on it doesn't stop it or make it go away, the view that everyone's depressed and mental illnesses are just like feeling the blues.... which I got told in assessment are insulting, I don't want anyone to walk in my shoes. but sometimes when it's constantly in the media , and misinformation is unhelpful do they never fact check or get held up to scrutinise what they write is true and correct. Disability can happen to anyone, same as mental health and mental illnesses and I don't know anyone who,d want to join that club.

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      · 18 hours ago
      @Fiona Whoever told you that, is disgusting and should be reported if it was a benefits assessment.  You should have replied that mental ill health can kill instantly and often does! It can mean being paralysed by your own mind, sometimes unable to move from your bed or sofa for days on end. Some forms of severe depression are untouched by therapy. Unfortunately a lot of people are intimidated by benefits assessors and don't speak of their mental ill health strongly enough to convey what they are going through.
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    · 23 hours ago
    i dare say they are huddled around the couldron as we speak stirring the broth i wont hold my breath until next week
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    · 23 hours ago
    What will happen next?  Is there any way the UC health element stuff (which I don’t fully understand) will be I made less bad for new claimants or dropped? I will be a new UC claimant despite being on legacy benefits and severely disabled for over twenty years.  This is because, due to complicated circumstances, I could not “migrate” to UC within the time limit.  I’m so ill it’s unlikely I could have any way. There are others whose councils have not even migrated them yet — mine is only just doing so.  
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      · 12 hours ago
      @Radionoush As a new UC claimant won't you have to have a new work capability assessment? 
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    · 23 hours ago
    It is unclear if the 4 point PIP plan remains just delayed until the new PIP system is introduced after the Timms review. Or is abandoned and replaced with just changing descriptors and points to achieve the 50% reduction in PIP daily living eligibility that the government claims will only result in a 10% reduction due to behavioural changes.

    "We have heard those concerns, and that is why I can announce that we are going to remove clause 5 from the Bill in Committee. We will move straight to the wider review—sometimes referred to as the Timms review—and only make changes to PIP eligibility activities and descriptors following that review. The Government are committed to concluding the review by the autumn of next year."

    "We have listened to the concerns expressed in the debate, specifically about the new four-point threshold being implemented before the outcome of my review. As I have said, we will in fact move straight to my review and make changes to PIP eligibility activities and descriptors only following that review."
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      · 18 hours ago
      @Pickle Please don't give them ideas..
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      · 19 hours ago
      @john Them changing the descriptors is pretty ominous. My expectation is that they will just remove the ‘prompting’ sections entirely to get the same result
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    · 23 hours ago
    Can anyone shed any light or give advice on my current situation. Im on indefinite DLA & I've heard that the DWP have postponed sending out invitations to apply for PIP until April 2028. If this is the case then i would probably lose out on any PIP protection if the rules are changed from November 2026 or before that if Timms & his cronies have anything to do with it. Would you wait & see or would you apply for PIP now? Im sure that there are still quite a few people on here, who are just as undecided as me & any advice/input, would greatly be received as I don't have anyone else i can ask. Thanks in advance.
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    · 23 hours ago
    I honestly don't think I can take any more. I'm in mental health crisis but the crisis team just told me to have a long bath something I can't physically do. Local mental health services bullied and gaslighted me and told me to stop saying I was suicidal in assessments. They wouldn't spit on me if I set myself on fire in front of them. Everywhere I turn I'm treated like a useless burden and worse still, a bad selfish person. I try to be a good person, I help everyone I can buy when I ask for help I'm shamed and punished for it. Now this. 
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      · 19 hours ago
      @Hobsons choice Absolutely shocking it’s like treating you like a child. It sounds unsupportive 
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      · 22 hours ago
      @Kitty Hi Kitty I can totally empathise with how you are feeling. I know I’m feeling worse now cause now everything is hanging in the air. My brain hasn’t caught up with what implications of this are and I still feel afraid and suspicious about the government and what’s ahead. I also am struggling to keep checking in on here with what I see in my current mood as discouraging and demoralising. Because we haven’t yet got assurances we need. I’m really horrified to hear about your experiences with the mental health support you are getting. Which I guess is an example of how we need PIP even more to get the help we need and support from people. I find comfort in  my soft toys teddy bears I collect vintage bears too . I don’t know if that might help a bit. Sometimes you can get heated ones that might calm you. But soft toys can really help or a blanket cushion or pillow. Please know you aren’t alone. . Please take care of yourself people on here care. We have a very supportive group on instagram X and FB of soft toys enthusiasts it can be really funny and uplifting . If it’s something where you might get a little support but if you have interests sometimes an online group community can help. Give me a reply on here if you want to but no worries . Keep trucking!! Helen 🌸🧸
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      · 22 hours ago
      @Kitty Kitty I can support what you have said i to was told to take a long cold bath and in place of self harming with a sharp object try getting a pen and drawing on myself. Like you I cant physically run a bath and jump in. Mental health doesn't come with a tick box, it affects people differently. We are being punished for breathing. 
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      · 22 hours ago
      @Kitty Hi Kitty, I feel for you and the pain you're experiencing during this time of mental health crisis. Sadly the NHS mental health services can be extremely limited and sometimes downright destructive for those who suffer. The only piece of advice I can give is a simple phrase to any mental health professional who is no helping you, "duty of care". They have a legal responsibly of duty of care for your mental health and wellbeing, that is their function and that is what we the taxpayers of this country pay for, remember the NHS is not a free service we pay for it in numerous taxes and National insurance and you deserve to be treated with respect and receive the help you're entitled to. 

      Also remember, you're not useless, not a burden, not a selfish person you're in crisis and need, deserve and are entitled to help. At this moment in time you need to concentrate on yourself, your emotional wellbeing, your triggers, your daily survival needs and you need help from those we pay ot help you. 

      Please hang in there, please seek alternative help via mental health charities or if able counselling, there are counseling services that have reduced rates that you may be able to access. I really hope you can get the help you need at the moment of crises. 
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      · 23 hours ago
      @Kitty Dear Kitty, I am just sending you a big hug if you do hugs. 
      I hope you have a friend who can call your stupid crisis team and tell them not to be stupid and so ignorant of their client, as you cannot physically take the recommended bath. 
      All my sympathies and I'm sure from all other B&W community on how upset etc you feel.
      Denby
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    · 1 days ago
    Thank you B & W - excellent summing up - as usual.

    I particularly liked the comment:
    "Plus, the secretary of state, currently Liz Kendall...... "
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      · 22 hours ago
      @Yorkie Bard Ha, ha, yes, I spotted that
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      · 23 hours ago
      @Yorkie Bard A cheeky one alright LOL. And it is difficult to see how she will stay in her role after that outrageous farce. But this is politics and by next week they'll be denying there was a farce
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    · 1 days ago
    Now a friend who I have  been assisting has said  'what about  those that continually jump thru the never ending hoops and each time told  you are not able to  work, thats from the capability assessments for dla/pip. first time told by dla for  life, then do the pip stuff told the same thing, but then you do another  one ,and given the 10  yr  revue, and now  in retirement, revue due this year/next year!!!  All the tv stuff keeps rattling on about getting  people back to  work and all thi pip is for that. But  one  knows thats gobbledy goop, because  many are  in retirement age, so legislation should be a different legislation to those  of working age. He also said the  issues now with  mental health should  have a totally different criteria, legislation' , which I concur with
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      · 14 hours ago
      @TwistedWitch @TwistedWitch I've had that dark thought, but then remembered what a furore was caused by taking away a few hundred pounds winter fuel allowance. So I hope they wouldn't dare go for the pensioners again.
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      · 16 hours ago
      @rookie
      I fear us PIP retirees would be an easy target as they could claim that it's just old age causing issues and not a disability in much the same way as AA has no mobility component because you are meant to be less mobile when you age! If they banned PIP for retirees they would immediately save all the PIP mobility grants since there is none under AA, even if you were then successful at claiming AA.

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      · 23 hours ago
      @sally-jane Hmm, I've been wondering what will happen to pip claimants past retirement age. It shoukd be sorted in the shake up, but not to their detriment.
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    · 1 days ago
    Thanks benefits and work for the clarification. 

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