The DWP is moving inexcusably slowly in considering the cases of PIP claimants who may be owed thousands of pounds  in back payments, its latest progress report reveals.  Although the DWP claim the review will be completed in 2025, at the present rate, some claimants may be left waiting a total of more  than 8 years for a decision on their case.

The review of cases relates to PIP activity 9. Engaging with other people face to face.

The DWP got the law wrong in relation to two descriptors:

b. Needs prompting to be able to engage with other people. 2 points.

c. Needs social support to be able to engage with other people. 4 points.

If the support a claimant needs consisted just of prompting, then the DWP argued it was only worth 2 points, regardless of who gave it.

However, in a case known as MM, the Supreme Court decided that where the prompting needs to be given by someone ‘trained or experienced in assisting people to engage in social situations’, then it may count as social support and score 4 points.

The DWP also believed that social support has to be given during the social activity or immediately before it.

But, in the same case, the Supreme Court held that social support does not have to take place during or immediately before a social engagement, it could take place weeks before or even after the event.

This means that many people who got zero points for this activity will now be eligible for four points.

The review of cases relates to decisions from 6 April 2016, when the case was decided, to 16 September 2020 when the DWP began following the correct rules.

The DWP say that they have identified 326,000 review cases relating to the 9(b) group.  These are primarily cases where the claimant scored 2 points for prompting when they may have been entitled to 4 points for social support.

However, the DWP admit that they are unable to identify claimants affected by the timing of support issue, who may have received support well in advance of a social engagement but scored no points because the DWP got the law wrong.  These claimants will need to contact the DWP themselves if they wish to be considered.

Reviews of cases started in September 2021.  The DWP say they have prioritised reviews for terminally ill and recently deceased claimants.

In the following two years, they have dealt with just 79,000 cases with almost a quarter of a million left to examine.

At present rates it will take the DWP over six years to complete its review of the outstanding 247,000 cases, although the department claims it will be completed in just another two years.

But there may also be thousands of cases that relate to timing or that the DWP have simply failed to identify.

More than one in five claimants who have been reviewed have received a back payment.

So far, around 14,000 payments have been made to claimants, totalling £74 million..

Overall, the average payment is around £5,285 per claimant.

We have covered this issue extensively in the past. 

Benefits and Work members can download the following resources from the PIP guides page.

Engaging with other people review guide
A six page guide to who may be affected by the review and what to do if you think you are.

Sample letters
Sample letters for people who think they may be affected by the DWP's error in assessing people who have difficulties engaging with other people.

Video explainer
A 7 minute video explaining who may be affected by the review and what to do if you think you are.

Video transcript
A transcript of the video.

DWP Memo
A 5 page memo issued by the DWP on the subject of the changes to the law.

You can read the DWP’s progress report on the administrative exercise for MM.

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    · 8 months ago
    Iv been told Iv been selected anybody know what that means and it’s from 2016
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      · 7 months ago
      @Debs You should receive a form that asks 6 questions regarding how you dealt with social support between your claim dates and the judgment dates. Once you've sent that off you'll receive a phonecall or letter with a decision although some people have just received a decision without the form. Good luck 
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    · 8 months ago
    I just phoned pip and they said to me they are only looking at 2016 -2017 ?
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      · 7 months ago
      @Dddddfff Hi I had a review in August 2021 and I got the points then.but I feel I should have had them since 2016.i think they started to add the points from 2021.please check if you feel you could get it looked at again.
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      · 7 months ago
      @Angela Hi mine statde sept 21 would i be in included in this .
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      · 7 months ago
      @Angela Thanks well mine started back end of 2020 and didn’t get decision until 2021 so fingers crossed thank you  
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      · 7 months ago
      @Anon Hi Anon the law changes is from 2016 but they didn't start to change it till 2021. thats why it goes from 2016 to 2021.
      Hope that helps
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      · 8 months ago
      @Pete According to threads on here it’s 2021 too, that’s what annoys me you can’t get a straight answer from them 
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    · 8 months ago
    4 nearly 5 years waiting for an outcome. It's 1 big mess if you ask me. I'm depressed to the core with life. 380 pm aint enough to survive on in 2024. I'm shocked at the whole process. 

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    · 8 months ago
    I rang today and said I had been flagged up and they looking at it as I scored 9b in 2021 but was after a review they took it off me . Yet I’m now back on pip , how long do ya think will be till hear back about payment they said I’ll get a letter but did not say about payment and how much 
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      · 8 months ago
      @Anon Yea mine was in march they said I was flagged and will have a letter , but that’s all I’m going call back again tomorrow and see what they say as surly they must know I scored 9b and was declined but was on it before then my review  they declined but nothing had changed , I’m now back on it since last year so fingers crossed it be sorted 
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      · 8 months ago
      @Natalie w So they are looking into 2021 too that’s good news as I was the same too 
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    · 8 months ago
    Hey did everyone get contacted regarding payments owed or did you chase it up with them ? I'm waiting for a review back from July.. recieved a letter last month saying they are paying my normal pip until my reviews done which could take another year .. I'm like really .. as I'm sure I should of been awarded the higher rate ? Thanks in advance? 
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      · 7 months ago
      @Betty My partner is exactly the same as you, received a letter saying could take till 2025? 
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      · 7 months ago
      @Harris OK thanks .. can't believe how long my review is taking.. how long was yours ?

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      · 7 months ago
      @Betty Yes I was contacted by them after my review was completed. 
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    · 8 months ago
    Update- £11,500 arrived into my bank today! Got the decision last Monday so took 5 working days to clear for anyone who's waiting. Life changing sum of money

    Good luck to all of you who are currently waiting for an update. Good luck! 
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      · 5 months ago
      @Harris Does this amount affect your benefits as my partner awarded the same 
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      · 7 months ago
      @Harris Amazing!! How is it best to contact them please? And do you have the contact details?
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      · 7 months ago
      @Sue lyons In my forms I just explained I received treatment once a month along with CBT therapy. The medication I took helped me deal with more intense social situations and also listed my carer/ partner who without her I wouldn't be able to leave the home as she drives me and can tell by my body language or behaviour if a situation is getting too much for me. Hope this helps 🙏 good luck 
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      · 7 months ago
      @Harris Thats brilliant im just looking at my hubbys forms now but not sure what im looking for can you help?
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      · 7 months ago
      @Angela Overall I think about 8 weeks from sending my form back to getting a decision letter. 
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    · 8 months ago
    Another update for anyone who is going through this ! After my back pay was received from DWP I called HMRC and advised that I have been back dated enhanced PIP and because I was working during that time period I should have been entitled to additional Working Tax Credit ! 

    I have just received an additional £5.5k from them meaning in total I've had a back payment of £10.5k.This has changed my life in a way I can't even articulate, I've been able to buy a car for my family, pay off debt and can afford to live day to day without any fear of running out of money, it's made a phenomenal difference to my whole families life 

    I urge anyone who feels like they deserve this, to please contact DWP and get what you so rightfully deserve, it's not always a quick process, but please do keep on at them (I know this is easier said than done when dealing with ongoing health issues, so if you don't feel up to it, ask someone to help). This is money you should have been receiving and it's rightfully yours, it's going to change people's lives and I want to make sure everyone who is entitled to it gets it.😊

    Thank you to this group and everyone in it, you'll never know how much you've helped flip my whole life around 🥰
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      · 8 months ago
      @Midnight Well-done midnight 
      What about just normal chold tax credits 🤔 I was on that and income support before I had my tax credit claim ended due to offices not communicating to each other even tho i did it all the roght way and double checked i did with income support but tax credits ended my claim there and then on a phone call so had no choice to go to uc and wich I lost my sdp topup from income support just wonder with tax credits was it only if you was working or not as I cannot seem to find a concrete answer 
      Thankyou
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    · 8 months ago
     I received two points for question 9a back in 2019 and again at my review in 2023. This left me short by one point for enhanced daily living award. Do you think it’s worth me contacting them to ask if it should be reviewed. The way I read the MM judgement I think I should have been awarded four points.
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      · 8 months ago
      @Poppy Yes I think it would be worth giving them a call as sounds me to as tho you have been effected by the law change. All the best 
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    · 8 months ago
    Hi i called pip and they said ive been flagged for the mm judgement does anyone know what happens from there and when should i recieve letter ect thank you
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      · 8 months ago
      @Sunshine l I am not sure how it all works i am on adp now and waiting to hear back from my review not sure if will be the same as i am not on pip now its adp all confusing just need to wait it out all i was told was i have been flagged and to wait on letter ect thanks
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      · 8 months ago
      @Bell Thank you just need to wait it out and hopefully hsve good news when i do here back from them
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      · 8 months ago
      @David Thank you i didnt know anything about it until someone told me so thought i eould give them a call just need to wait and see if i am entitled to anything…thats great you got money back enjoy
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      · 8 months ago
      @Natalie If true currently in review it will not be done until review is done rewarded or not 
      What I can understand is people who have had reviews or still have years there mm ruling is sorted faster then people in review or up coming review 
      Iv been flagged but been in review since Aug last year it hasn't been sorted so it's put a block on the mm ruling review from 2018 
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      · 8 months ago
      @Natalie I’m the same I called up in January and still haven’t heard back, they couldn’t give me a time on it, I never got a letter or anything I just heard about it and called to see if I was affected and i was, if I do hear back Il post 
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    · 8 months ago
    I received a payment this evenning for £3,258.08 from pip ..if this help anyone out there ...I started receiving pip at a standard rate in 2016 /17...,I need promoting to help with everything ..my medication..food toilet...I was awarded 2 points back in 2016 ..I asked them to look again in 2018  Regarding my daily living ..was told no everything's alright ...then I found out regarding the change of law regarding  to do stuff ..for yourself ..ie prompting....I did receive a telephone call from pip .., I hope this helps anybody out there on pip like me ...let me know if this helps 
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      · 7 months ago
      @David Hi david, thanks for info, can you confirm when you were awarded higher rate of daily living please, was it just recently because of law changes is that why you got payment hun? Or have you been on higher rate of daily living and the said amount was for previous years you wasn't? 
      Thankyou in advance 
      Lisa x
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      · 8 months ago
      @David Hi yes that does help, I started in 2021 so I imagine I’m too late for any back payments thanks though u finally know ! 
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    · 8 months ago
    Hi I get pip as was born with no left hand, been getting it most of my life but last year or so money went up alot from what it was for years, how do you know if you intitled to any back payments? Is there a reason or is it for ppl how are just started to get it but ment to ages ago,any help would be great please thanks.
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    · 8 months ago
    I've phoned pip yesterday because I seen it on the Internet about the mm judgement.they said I've been flagged up already but I'm going through a review so that has be sorted out first.they received my review form last week.anyone know how long it's taking to do a review ?.
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      · 8 months ago
      @Sunshine l I know it takes forever it plays on your mind doesn't it. Best of luck keep us informed if you hear anything because you've put yours in before me.
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      · 8 months ago
      @Angela Hi my review forms have been in since August last year and iv still not had a review I am also waiting for this to be sorted before the mm review can be sorted so frustrating 
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      · 8 months ago
      @Jade Wow that's terrible hopefully you get the result you want after waiting all that time.im eager to sort my reveiw because they wont look at my leap review till that's sorted.
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      · 8 months ago
      @Angela I rang today and they said the reviews are taking 49 weeks. They got my review form in September 2023 and I still ain’t heard anything back yet
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    · 8 months ago
    Rang up this morning as much use as a chocolate fireguard, can’t tell you anything what’s the point then 
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    · 8 months ago
    Hi...iv been on standard daily living and mobility since march 2021 I was given a 3 year award this is now up but was sent a extension letter last week .Would it be worth me calling dwp to look at my award I'm on my therapy and need prompting on several things which actually said on my form and my assessment 3 years ago..TIA
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      · 8 months ago
      @Leskp Same as me, I think it’s worth ringing and asking I’m going to as my mental health and support has significantly changed since my assessment in 2021
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    · 8 months ago
    Does this count for 2021 ? As I’m receiving social support since then 
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    · 8 months ago
    I called them last week they said I am on the list to be looked at but could take a year lol
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    · 8 months ago
    I want to know what happens to the claimants who were underpaid for years but have past away in the mean time. Do they get over looked for the time they were alive and claiming or weather they are still ignored?
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    · 8 months ago
    Just wanted to update u guys. Got a call this morning in response to the form I sent back a couple week ago and I got amazing news! £11,000 to be paid into my account in next 5 days!! Absolutely life changing! I hope anyone else who's going through this is successful. Thanks to the people who have posted on here 🙏 you guys gave me hope. Here's to the future. X
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      · 8 months ago
      @David Still waiting for the payment to drop so not 100% sure on if its split up but according to the woman at pip i spoke with, she said " money will be in your account in the next 5 days" so I would assume that's the full amount of backdated money you are owed. I could be wrong so best to give them a call if you can. I know how difficult it can be to deal with those types of phonecalls so best of luck. I'll update on here once the payment drops to give a approx time of how long it takes from receiving a decision to the payment being in my account. All the best 👍🏻 
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      · 8 months ago
      @Th Give pip a call would be the best advice I think. I didn't contact them at all, they contacted me after my recent review. 
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      · 8 months ago
      @Harris Amazing news I think I might be one how to I get answer 

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      · 8 months ago
      @Harris How many payments did they send you ..I have received a payment this evening for £3,258.08...it was from pip ..I started getting my.pip in 2016/17 ..I need promoting to help with my mental health illness ..they gave me 2 points back then ..I have not received a phone call like you did ..could I be owed more money..I.hope so  lifes so hard at moment   thanks 
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      · 8 months ago
      @Th It was a form pip sent to me regarding how I dealt with social situations, who helped me and what treatment I was receiving to help deal with social situations between 2016-2021. It was 6 questions and fairly simple to fill out. 2 weeks later I got the phone call saying I am to be paid a back payment of 11 grand. Couldn't believe it! 
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    · 8 months ago
    Hello 

    Has anyone received  this PIP letter for a deceased partner or family member. My dad sadly passed at Christmas and we got this letter today out the blue - we thought it was a scam as they misspelled my Mum's name and asking for bank details - it all seemed very odd. To be honest the letter is very vague! I have called them and they have confirmed it is legit and to complete and return ASAP as it is very important. 
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    · 8 months ago
    I'm not sure how to word this,I recently received a letter concerning Point of Law, I get standard pip,My Question if I'm awarded more points to enhanced rate how far back will it be backdated,Is it 6 April 2016?,I recently had a telephone assessment regarding this,Thanks for any Info,All this is constantly on my mind I will lose everything 
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      · 7 months ago
      @Ron There is a backpay limit of 5000 to 12000 and getting it is not counted as savings as far as Universal Credit is concerned for 1 year. However I don't know if it will impact Council Tax reduction claims.

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