A Benefits and Work reader attending a Timms review workshop has been told by a panel member that a short triage call will decide whether claimants are sent a PIP2 claim form or put on a separate assessment route with no cash award at the end of it.  The workshops, part of a £1 million co-production contract, have been criticised for their lack of detailed information and for using tokens and a sheet of coloured paper to get attendees’ feedback.

Token consultation

Benefits and Work has obtained copies of the documents and slides emailed to Timms Review workshop participants prior to online workshops, as well as copies of the paper documents used at in-person workshops.  We have also received  accounts of what took place from attendees of both types of workshop.

The documents show that the written information provided is identical to the very sparse, often unclear, details given in the Timms review September Update.

The workshop material is separated into 24 recommendations and participants divide into groups for four separate sessions, each considering one of the groups of changes.  They then join together, with one person from each group selected by the paid facilitators to give feedback.  The facilitators make notes and provide them to the Timms review itself.

In-person attendees are each given a token and, for every one of the 24 recommendations, they are required to put their token on a communal sheet of paper divided into three coloured bands.

Green represents “Great principle, I am in favour”

Orange represents “Broadly happy but some concerns”

Red represents “Causes real concern”

The number of tokens in each colour band for each recommendation is recorded and the results are fed back to the Timms review.

For the online workshops, attendees use a shared screen where they can drag and drop green stars, orange triangles or red squares onto each question.  Many people were unable to make the software work.

Not co-production

One of the slides provided to participants explained:

“The steering group recognise that these workshops have not been co-produced but are important opportunities to hear directly from people who interact with PIP."

not co produced

A private sector company, The Public Service Consultants, is being paid £1 million for “Professional Services for Co-production Expertise for the Facilitation of the TIMMS Review”.

Disabled people’s organisations, on the other hand have struggled to get any funding at all to carry out Timms review “Workshop in a Box events”.

The same slide also claimed that “Your input is really important to us and will shape the next stages of the Review’s co-production process.”

However, the workshops have a huge amount to get through, with 24 proposals to consider.

But the most consequential issues are left to the final session and the cost-based system for deciding awards does not appear until the very end of the workshop, slide 60 out of 60.  Participants have reported that there was not time to discuss the idea.

cost based

Pathways to nowhere

Although nothing new was put in writing for participants, three members of the Timms review panel attend each workshop to observe and also to answer at least some questions.

One of our readers learnt from a panel member that the proposed model involves an initial triage phone call during which a claimant explains their situation.  They are then placed on an “assessment pathway”.  The panel member explained that, for some, this will be the PIP pathway that allows them to claim a cash benefit and perhaps services as well.  For others, it will be a pathway that may lead to goods or services, or possibly just signposting, but not to a cash award.

If the details given to us are correct, the result could be thousands of potentially arbitrary and unexplained decisions not to allow a PIP claim to go forward.

The panel members did not say whether there would be a right of appeal against the chosen pathway.  But even if there were, it is probable that the appeal would only be about whether the DWP had made a legally correct decision about which pathway to place the claimant on, not about eligibility for PIP.

If triage calls and the abolition of the work capability assessment (WCA) do both go ahead, then the savings on assessment costs will be very considerable.

No light to shed

There were many issues the Timms review panel were unable to shed any light on.

They could not say whether the new system would apply to current claimants when their award comes up for review.

They could not say what would happen to the work capability assessment, even though the way PIP would replace the WCA is one of the things the panel was supposed to explore.

They couldn’t say what would happen to benefits for under-22-year-olds, although these are increasingly being attacked by politicians and the media.

They couldn’t say how a costs-based system would work, though one panel member suggested that this might have to be decided after the Timms review has concluded.

One thing the panel members were able to confirm is that there is no Plan B.  The split-pathways model, leading to a cost-based assessment for some, is the only model they are considering.   

Begin the fight

Participants have bravely tried to extract information from Timms review panel members and to make their views heard.

But, in the end, it seems unlikely that workshop participants placing tokens on coloured paper is going to have a dramatic effect on the outcome of the Timms review. 

The big decisions are almost certainly being made elsewhere and, indeed, have probably already been made

However, there are still more workshops and more opportunities to try to winkle scraps of information from panel members. 

And, most importantly, more opportunities for attendees to reject these shadowy proposals wholesale, marking the first step in the fight to prevent the worst of the Timms Review recommendations ever coming to pass.

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    · 6 minutes ago
    How can we stop this??? We all need to come together and fight, our voices need to be heard. 
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    · 1 hours ago
    I don't understand. I'm so frightened. I have all the aids and adaptations I need, that's what OTs and DFGs are for. I need to be able to eat and heat and pay ongoing extra expenses of being disabled. 
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    · 1 hours ago
    Yeah, that sounds well thought through. I’ve a feeling it’s not going to be pretty
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    · 2 hours ago
    This is terrifying 
    But also begs the question, how is it both vital, should remain as non means tested cash and not fit for purpose?
    This isn’t co-production 
    This isn’t keeping PIP as a vital lifeline for disabled people 
    If one phone call can lead to just sign posting and services instead of money, that certainly doesn’t cover the financial costs of being disabled. 
    We need to fight this, or hope that it doesn’t end up in the final review. 
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    · 2 hours ago
    I attended workshop. I agree the latter more consequential issues were left to end, and had less time spent. It was all very vague, and the initial issues were mostly no brainers, which used up time unnecessarily. 
    The initial phone call triage, I didn’t get exactly the same vibe about. I thought it was more to direct to the appropriate pathway ie end of life for instance as a pre screen, but who knows. I didn’t understand that anybody would be rejected, unless perhaps they  stated they hadn’t had the condition for long enough, or would be ineligible for some other reason like first applying after pension age. I might be wrong, and we are all naturally suspicious of dwp stuff, but I think we should wait and watch on this, so as not to alarm prematurely. The only thing that was rejected out of hand in my group was the non cash payments for unspecified reasons.
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    · 4 hours ago
    If this were to go ahead it is already making me think the DWP workers will exploit this. They will be signing most people to other services. What other services actually exist after all the cuts to services. The whole thing fills me with dread. Let’s hope it doesn’t go ahead. 
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      · 3 hours ago
      @Anniesmum @Anniesmum I see what you mean like dwp workers being told and given incentives to get people off the phone and fob them off to services that don’t exist it fills me with dread too like I said below if they then link all this to a new uc health will only be left with uc jobseekers and sanctions and I don’t want any part of that 
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    · 5 hours ago
    And if you’ve been so traumatised by the current PIP process that an initial triage call will not be possible? 
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    · 6 hours ago
    Anything about the PIP Claim form itself. Will that be changed radically?? 
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      · 2 hours ago
      @Alprocherry They didn’t know. This was asked.
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    · 7 hours ago
    Absolute joke, just as expected.  NO to the whole lot of it!

    This needs stopping right now.
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    · 7 hours ago
    Sorry I have gone through it again as I read the comments about there will be no welfare state including pensions in a decade time, I cannot see where it says that, that being said this report is just dreadful to understand. 

    Can someone please clarify it, thank you. 
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      · 5 hours ago
      @Sarah. I think you misunderstood my comment Labour wants to get as many young, including disabled people into work, there's,s the Timms Review - see very helpful analysis from benefits and work - and speculation that the triple lock will go to.psy for social care. And that's before the possibility of a Tory/Reform government in the future. At this rate there'll be little of the welfare state left in ten years time.
       
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      · 5 hours ago
      @Sarah. No it is just an opinion.
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    · 7 hours ago
    I am completely lost with this, what on earth does it all mean. And more to the point how much did the taxpayer have to pay for this Timm's report because it seems to be a complete waste of money and time. 
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      · 6 hours ago
      @Sarah. @Sarah I agree it all seems mind boggling a shambles worrying a complete mess with no clear answers as what is going to happen in the future I suppose if they then link all this pip mess to a new uc health award then that means would not qualify for anything
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    · 7 hours ago
    Doesn't surprise me in the least.

    Within the next decade there will be very little of the welfare state left (including pensioners)
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      · 4 hours ago
      @Matt I would have thought their would still be a pension in a decades time but in the future perhaps paying into a Private pension will become a necessitey
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    · 7 hours ago
    Absolutely disgusting. 
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    · 8 hours ago
    Can someone tell the main newspapers news reporter's about this disgusting mess
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      · 7 hours ago
      @Wayne The Newspapers no they will have no sympathy as they want Benefit Claimants back at work.
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      · 7 hours ago
      @Wayne The mainstream news are just the propaganda wing of whichever government is in power. They all unanimously never stop harping on about how we need to - 'cut the massive benefits bill!''