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2 days 21 hours ago #304049 by David
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Replied by David on topic Trying to work out which parts of my ESA are CB or IR for migration purposes
Hi Spaceman
To answer your question "but say my rent and/or service charges increases by £25/year and the Housing Costs element rises accordingly, will that decrease my TP by the same amount so that in 6-7 years it will all be eroded and I'll be considerably worse off as a result of migrating from ESA to UC?"
Yes unfortunately, that is the intention built into UC, to make savings with Benefits.
David
To answer your question "but say my rent and/or service charges increases by £25/year and the Housing Costs element rises accordingly, will that decrease my TP by the same amount so that in 6-7 years it will all be eroded and I'll be considerably worse off as a result of migrating from ESA to UC?"
Yes unfortunately, that is the intention built into UC, to make savings with Benefits.
David
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2 days 2 hours ago #304080 by cobra29Kevin Vincent
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It's disgraceful , I can't believe this hasn't been talked about more. Thousands of severely disabled people are going to be Thousands of pounds per year worse off, but it's hardly mentioned? There's rightfully been uproar about the winter fuel allowance, but nothing about the treatment of disabled people moving to UC.
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1 day 13 hours ago #304104 by Spaceman
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I suspect that's why they provide TP, so people don't realise that they're going to be considerably worse off in a few years.
It may only be about 3 years before my TP is completely eroded, because if UC increases by 5%/year that's an extra £40/year and if my Housing Benefit increase by 5%/year that's an extra £30/year, so my £170 TP will be eroded by £70/year.
It may only be about 3 years before my TP is completely eroded, because if UC increases by 5%/year that's an extra £40/year and if my Housing Benefit increase by 5%/year that's an extra £30/year, so my £170 TP will be eroded by £70/year.
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1 day 12 hours ago #304105 by Spaceman
Replied by Spaceman on topic Trying to work out which parts of my ESA are CB or IR for migration purposes
Sorry David, every time I review my figures it appears that I've misunderstood and miscalculated!
Currently my total ESA is £254.65/week which is £1103.48/month but I think £609.05 of that is CB ESA (standard + LCWRA = £140.55/week) and only the Severe and Enhanced Disability Premiums of £494.43/month are IR ESA. My pension of £65.18/month is then deducted from the IR ESA, but I end up with the same amount.
I also receive £608.87/month Housing Benefit. So that plus my IR ESA of £494.43 = £1,103.3/month + my CB ESA of £609.05 = £1712.35/month.
After I migrate to UC, I believe I will be entitled to £400.14/month standard allowance + £423.77 for the LCWRA element + £608.87 housing costs, totalling £1,432.78/month, which is £329.48/month MORE than I currently receive in IR ESA + Housing Benefit, so there won't be any TP.
Then my CB/New-Style ESA of £609.05/month plus my pension of £65.18/month will be deducted, which leaves £757.95/month UC. So in total I'll receive £757.95/month UC + £609.05 New Style ESA + £65.78/month pension, which comes to £1,432.78.
That means that as soon as I migrate to UC I'll be £279.57/month worse off than I am now, but I won't receive any TP because my UC (before deducting my other income) will be more than my IR ESA + Housing Benefit, and that's all that the TP calculation takes into account, not the CB ESA element.
Does that sound right?
Currently my total ESA is £254.65/week which is £1103.48/month but I think £609.05 of that is CB ESA (standard + LCWRA = £140.55/week) and only the Severe and Enhanced Disability Premiums of £494.43/month are IR ESA. My pension of £65.18/month is then deducted from the IR ESA, but I end up with the same amount.
I also receive £608.87/month Housing Benefit. So that plus my IR ESA of £494.43 = £1,103.3/month + my CB ESA of £609.05 = £1712.35/month.
After I migrate to UC, I believe I will be entitled to £400.14/month standard allowance + £423.77 for the LCWRA element + £608.87 housing costs, totalling £1,432.78/month, which is £329.48/month MORE than I currently receive in IR ESA + Housing Benefit, so there won't be any TP.
Then my CB/New-Style ESA of £609.05/month plus my pension of £65.18/month will be deducted, which leaves £757.95/month UC. So in total I'll receive £757.95/month UC + £609.05 New Style ESA + £65.78/month pension, which comes to £1,432.78.
That means that as soon as I migrate to UC I'll be £279.57/month worse off than I am now, but I won't receive any TP because my UC (before deducting my other income) will be more than my IR ESA + Housing Benefit, and that's all that the TP calculation takes into account, not the CB ESA element.
Does that sound right?
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22 hours 57 minutes ago #304125 by David
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Replied by David on topic Trying to work out which parts of my ESA are CB or IR for migration purposes
Hi Spaceman
I think it's best if you provide these detailed figures to Citizens Advice Help to Claim as they have their own specific calculators.
David
I think it's best if you provide these detailed figures to Citizens Advice Help to Claim as they have their own specific calculators.
David
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