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ESA nightmare my appeal never ends I had been put back into WRAG group without being notified.
Hi, I know this is rather long but I hope you will put it on the forum site.
I am 60 years of age and worked all my life until I became ill in June \July 2011: I suffer from depression; debilitating exhaustion and fibromyalgia symptom; Memory problems; brain fog; and overall pain. I have problems with walking; I have arthritic hips, knees and feet. Bladder and bowel problems etc.
On 1st March 2012: I had my first medical with the ATOS nurse who was very nice, she advised me to appeal if I was not successful. I heard nothing from this first medical.
I had another medical on 19th July 2012.( As well as my ongoing medical problems, I had fractured my ankle a few weeks previous, and I attended with a painful fractured ankle, I had a boot on and was struggling to walk).I was in pain and very distressed during and after this medical. Within days of this medical I had to attend an interview for the WRAG group. I really had no idea what all this was about I was getting more and more distressed and very confused. I sobbed all the way through, this took place in a room full of workers and other people having interviews. At the end the interviewer said I was to attend next week. I felt absolutely humiliated and disgusted at the lack of compassion. I was so distraught after these 2 meetings; I was unable to function properly and felt suicidal. I sent GPs notes in as I could not attend them.
The following week a friend took me to see a CAB Adviser who helped me to appeal against the decision of being put in the WRAG group.
The appeal was received 2 Aug 2012: I was told it could take quite a long time and so I waited.
Few months later I was sent an ESA50 to fill in and sent it back on 15-Dec-2012:
In July I received copies of the Secretary of State Response. Which included copies of my appeal GL24; my ESA50 questionnaire; ESA85 Medical report; prescription; consultants letters; LT54 decision; LT54 reconsideration decision
I was not successful in the reconsideration.
These were the dates on the report that was sent to me and forwarded to the tribunal.
Date of Decision: 27-March 2013:
Date Decision notified: 20 -July 2012:
Date of Reconsideration: 03-July-2013:
The appeal received: 02-Aug 2012:
................. ....................... ..................
First Tier Tribunal was on the 7/11/2013:
I had asked for an aural hearing but when the day came I was unable to attend this due to severe panic attacks. I was unable to leave the house. They sent me another appointment and requested my medical records dated from 1-1-2011 up to date: they also requested the ESA85 form:
I had no idea what this was; I was informed that all this would be sent to the tribunal.
I had further signed papers from my GP supporting my conditions to be forwarded to the tribunal as further evidence before my hearing was due. How-ever before I had time to send them off, I had received a letter from the Tribunal service dated 25/02/2014 stating that the appeals officer has revised the decision on your case and that the decision is a more favourable one. I rang up the tribunal asking if this meant I was in the support group she said I was to ring the DWP as they have the information. I rang them and they said it was not on the computer yet it could take a number of weeks, and that they would notify me.
This was the first time since this nightmare started approx 23 months from (01/03/2012): that I felt I could breath again. But unbeknown to me this nightmare had never really ended.
I was never sent any notification of being in the support group, till I had a letter dated 11th March 2014: from the JCB :-
Your claim for ESA. We have paid £739.29 into your account.
For the period 20- July- 2012 to 26- March- 2013
Nothing else was stated on the letter.
I presumed this was back pay owed to me and I took it this was confirmation that I was in the support group and that they would continue to pay my benefit. I had no other correspondence from the DWP.
Until I received a letter dated 8-7-2014 to attend a Post work Support appointment, and then few days later I received a letter dated 9-7-2014 a Notification of Local Compliance Office Interview. I rang the JSC and spoke to a lady. I told her I was in the support group, but she told me I was in the WRAG group and that I had only been awarded 12 months in the Support group , the dates what I was given was the same as the back dated pay I had received :
I told her that I had never been informed either that I had been transferred into the support group or transferred back into the WRAG group. If I had received any information about this, I would have contacted them.
She confused me by saying that I had got 2 appeals going on and I said I had only ever put in one appeal in. She said I had only been put in the support group from the 12 months.
I said I thought that I was in the support group now especially as the tribunal had requested my medical reports from 1-1-2011 - to date – which was January 2014 : I said that I have not been reassessed and she said that I had been reassessed by the ESA50 the one that I had submitted on 15/12/2012, which I had already been reassessed by, and refused and then this one went with my other notes to the tribunal.
Yet again I have not slept since, and my anxiety, stress levels and panic attacks are really bad again, and on top of this receiving the letter for the compliance interview.
I am totally confused and I think the DWP adviser sounded confused as well. She is going to send me an envelope for me to write in and ask for my case to be reconsideration although she said I had missed the time limit. So it might not be allowed. She did say that I was not being called back for another medical till 2016, but if I wanted another one she could request one for me.
I have only been able to put this information together due to the kind help and support and patience of a dear friend. Can you please help me understand what this is all about and the best way to deal with this mess?
Thank you JG
Hi, I know this is rather long but I hope you will put it on the forum site.
I am 60 years of age and worked all my life until I became ill in June \July 2011: I suffer from depression; debilitating exhaustion and fibromyalgia symptom; Memory problems; brain fog; and overall pain. I have problems with walking; I have arthritic hips, knees and feet. Bladder and bowel problems etc.
On 1st March 2012: I had my first medical with the ATOS nurse who was very nice, she advised me to appeal if I was not successful. I heard nothing from this first medical.
I had another medical on 19th July 2012.( As well as my ongoing medical problems, I had fractured my ankle a few weeks previous, and I attended with a painful fractured ankle, I had a boot on and was struggling to walk).I was in pain and very distressed during and after this medical. Within days of this medical I had to attend an interview for the WRAG group. I really had no idea what all this was about I was getting more and more distressed and very confused. I sobbed all the way through, this took place in a room full of workers and other people having interviews. At the end the interviewer said I was to attend next week. I felt absolutely humiliated and disgusted at the lack of compassion. I was so distraught after these 2 meetings; I was unable to function properly and felt suicidal. I sent GPs notes in as I could not attend them.
The following week a friend took me to see a CAB Adviser who helped me to appeal against the decision of being put in the WRAG group.
The appeal was received 2 Aug 2012: I was told it could take quite a long time and so I waited.
Few months later I was sent an ESA50 to fill in and sent it back on 15-Dec-2012:
In July I received copies of the Secretary of State Response. Which included copies of my appeal GL24; my ESA50 questionnaire; ESA85 Medical report; prescription; consultants letters; LT54 decision; LT54 reconsideration decision
I was not successful in the reconsideration.
These were the dates on the report that was sent to me and forwarded to the tribunal.
Date of Decision: 27-March 2013:
Date Decision notified: 20 -July 2012:
Date of Reconsideration: 03-July-2013:
The appeal received: 02-Aug 2012:
................. ....................... ..................
First Tier Tribunal was on the 7/11/2013:
I had asked for an aural hearing but when the day came I was unable to attend this due to severe panic attacks. I was unable to leave the house. They sent me another appointment and requested my medical records dated from 1-1-2011 up to date: they also requested the ESA85 form:
I had no idea what this was; I was informed that all this would be sent to the tribunal.
I had further signed papers from my GP supporting my conditions to be forwarded to the tribunal as further evidence before my hearing was due. How-ever before I had time to send them off, I had received a letter from the Tribunal service dated 25/02/2014 stating that the appeals officer has revised the decision on your case and that the decision is a more favourable one. I rang up the tribunal asking if this meant I was in the support group she said I was to ring the DWP as they have the information. I rang them and they said it was not on the computer yet it could take a number of weeks, and that they would notify me.
This was the first time since this nightmare started approx 23 months from (01/03/2012): that I felt I could breath again. But unbeknown to me this nightmare had never really ended.
I was never sent any notification of being in the support group, till I had a letter dated 11th March 2014: from the JCB :-
Your claim for ESA. We have paid £739.29 into your account.
For the period 20- July- 2012 to 26- March- 2013
Nothing else was stated on the letter.
I presumed this was back pay owed to me and I took it this was confirmation that I was in the support group and that they would continue to pay my benefit. I had no other correspondence from the DWP.
Until I received a letter dated 8-7-2014 to attend a Post work Support appointment, and then few days later I received a letter dated 9-7-2014 a Notification of Local Compliance Office Interview. I rang the JSC and spoke to a lady. I told her I was in the support group, but she told me I was in the WRAG group and that I had only been awarded 12 months in the Support group , the dates what I was given was the same as the back dated pay I had received :
I told her that I had never been informed either that I had been transferred into the support group or transferred back into the WRAG group. If I had received any information about this, I would have contacted them.
She confused me by saying that I had got 2 appeals going on and I said I had only ever put in one appeal in. She said I had only been put in the support group from the 12 months.
I said I thought that I was in the support group now especially as the tribunal had requested my medical reports from 1-1-2011 - to date – which was January 2014 : I said that I have not been reassessed and she said that I had been reassessed by the ESA50 the one that I had submitted on 15/12/2012, which I had already been reassessed by, and refused and then this one went with my other notes to the tribunal.
Yet again I have not slept since, and my anxiety, stress levels and panic attacks are really bad again, and on top of this receiving the letter for the compliance interview.
I am totally confused and I think the DWP adviser sounded confused as well. She is going to send me an envelope for me to write in and ask for my case to be reconsideration although she said I had missed the time limit. So it might not be allowed. She did say that I was not being called back for another medical till 2016, but if I wanted another one she could request one for me.
I have only been able to put this information together due to the kind help and support and patience of a dear friend. Can you please help me understand what this is all about and the best way to deal with this mess?
Thank you JG
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10 years 9 months ago #123534 by Gordon
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JG
Welcome to the forum.
It's a bit difficult to figure out the order of events on your claim but the following stand out.
July 2012 - Placed in the WRAG. Appealed
December 2012 - returned new ESA50.
I believe that two events are key to your current problems.
From your post your appeal was lapsed because the DWP revised the original July 2012 Decision that placed you in the WRAG and changed it to place you in the Support Group.
However, having completed a new ESA50 late 2012, I believe a new Decision has been made on your claim and this has placed you back into the WRAG.
The first thing you need to do is to confirm the date of the last Decision on your claim, I am expecting it to have been made at some time during 2013, quite possibly in the last few weeks.
This being the case, then I am afraid that you need to appeal this new Decision in order for you to be placed in the SG again, the process has changed since you last appealed and you will need to request a Mandatory Reconsideration first.
The process is explained in more detail in our ESA MR & Appeal guide
www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/help-for-claimants/esa1
If you can I would recommend that you get face to face advice about this situation, either the CAB or do an internet search for "welfare advice" with your postcode, town or county.
If we can help more, then please reply to this post and we will do our best to help.
Gordon
Welcome to the forum.
It's a bit difficult to figure out the order of events on your claim but the following stand out.
July 2012 - Placed in the WRAG. Appealed
December 2012 - returned new ESA50.
I believe that two events are key to your current problems.
From your post your appeal was lapsed because the DWP revised the original July 2012 Decision that placed you in the WRAG and changed it to place you in the Support Group.
However, having completed a new ESA50 late 2012, I believe a new Decision has been made on your claim and this has placed you back into the WRAG.
The first thing you need to do is to confirm the date of the last Decision on your claim, I am expecting it to have been made at some time during 2013, quite possibly in the last few weeks.
This being the case, then I am afraid that you need to appeal this new Decision in order for you to be placed in the SG again, the process has changed since you last appealed and you will need to request a Mandatory Reconsideration first.
The process is explained in more detail in our ESA MR & Appeal guide
www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/help-for-claimants/esa1
If you can I would recommend that you get face to face advice about this situation, either the CAB or do an internet search for "welfare advice" with your postcode, town or county.
If we can help more, then please reply to this post and we will do our best to help.
Gordon
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10 years 9 months ago #123559 by JG
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Thank you for your reply Gordon
I now these dates seem very confusing.
after sending in my appeal dated 20-Aug-2012 : I received these papers after 3-July-2013
Secretary of States Response was as follows:-
date of decision: 27-Mar - 2013
date decision notified: 20-Jul - 2012
date of reconsideration 03-Jul - 2013
date of appeal received * 02-Aug - 2012
included in this file are:-
GL24 Appeal Form 15-Aug-2012 received date 20-Aug-2012 the date above *( 02-Aug-20012) I presume is a typing error)
Esa50 LCW question 15-Dec- 2012
Esa85 med report 13-Mar- 2013
prescription 14-Nov- 2012
Consultants letters 13-Sept-2012
and
An accompanying letter stating:-
I enclose a copy of the appeal papers with this letter. These papers give reasons for our decision. We have sent a copy of the same information and your appeal letter to the tribunals Service.
As I stated earlier the tribunal requested my medical records from 1-1-20011 to date ( 19-Nov-2013) I presumed they would have been received just before my appointed hearing.
My hearing date was 6-4-2014. This is why I thought I had been put in the support group up to date:
Also they had included the ESA50 that I filled in, and this was included as evidence at the tribunal.
When I rang the DWP and asked how could I have been put back in the WRAG without another assessment she said that I had filled in an ESA50 form and that they have reassessed me on that.( how can they reuse the ESA50 that was sent as evidence to the tribunal ( which put me in the SG ) and now used it again to put me back in the WRAG group, surely that cant do this?.
Also I'm wondering if they have got dates wrong or typing errors as I have just realised that they have only paid me back dated SG money from 20 July 2012 to 26 March 2013 which is only 9 months money; and the date of my letter is 11 March 2014, I wonder if the back date should have said to 26 March 2014 and not 2013.(hopefully this is what has happened, but would that be just too easy !!!)
And I received a letter on 16 July for a Compliance interview on 31-7-2014 (which I am obviously stressed about) , but could this be because I am no longer in the SG and they have put me back in the WRAG IR group, and I have more than £6000 in savings?
I have also been sent a letter for an interview on 31-7-2014 with my personal adviser to discuss the support available to me, now that I have completed my time on the work programme: ( I have never attended a work program and told the DWP this) .
And now they have sent me yet another letter this time for an induction interview which should have taken place on 21-7-2014, (apparently because I had missed my appointment in Sept 2013). I never received an appointment as I would have challenged it, and found out earlier about being put back in the WRAG.
How-ever since 16 July I have been away from home and been staying at my daughters house 100 miles away, and I was only been informed today by my neighbour that I have received this latest letter, I have missed this interview but they had only given 5 days notice to attend the interview, the letter must have arrived after the 17th July and I was to attend on the 21st July. I was away from home then.
I presume I am now going to get sanctioned. what a complete mess.
This is just too much to get my head around, and I am really sorry that this must be very challenging for you too especially with- out looking through all my paperwork.
I am lucky here to have my friend helping me to write this stuff down.
I realise I need to see an adviser to look through my paperwork, but I may not be able to get to see someone beforehand , do you think I should send all this information to the DWP without seeing an adviser first, or do you think my appeal for this to be looked into properly, might be dismissed without a professional bodies representation? .
Thank-you again I really appreciate your further advise and I hope we have written this clearer for you to understand.
JG
I now these dates seem very confusing.
after sending in my appeal dated 20-Aug-2012 : I received these papers after 3-July-2013
Secretary of States Response was as follows:-
date of decision: 27-Mar - 2013
date decision notified: 20-Jul - 2012
date of reconsideration 03-Jul - 2013
date of appeal received * 02-Aug - 2012
included in this file are:-
GL24 Appeal Form 15-Aug-2012 received date 20-Aug-2012 the date above *( 02-Aug-20012) I presume is a typing error)
Esa50 LCW question 15-Dec- 2012
Esa85 med report 13-Mar- 2013
prescription 14-Nov- 2012
Consultants letters 13-Sept-2012
and
An accompanying letter stating:-
I enclose a copy of the appeal papers with this letter. These papers give reasons for our decision. We have sent a copy of the same information and your appeal letter to the tribunals Service.
As I stated earlier the tribunal requested my medical records from 1-1-20011 to date ( 19-Nov-2013) I presumed they would have been received just before my appointed hearing.
My hearing date was 6-4-2014. This is why I thought I had been put in the support group up to date:
Also they had included the ESA50 that I filled in, and this was included as evidence at the tribunal.
When I rang the DWP and asked how could I have been put back in the WRAG without another assessment she said that I had filled in an ESA50 form and that they have reassessed me on that.( how can they reuse the ESA50 that was sent as evidence to the tribunal ( which put me in the SG ) and now used it again to put me back in the WRAG group, surely that cant do this?.
Also I'm wondering if they have got dates wrong or typing errors as I have just realised that they have only paid me back dated SG money from 20 July 2012 to 26 March 2013 which is only 9 months money; and the date of my letter is 11 March 2014, I wonder if the back date should have said to 26 March 2014 and not 2013.(hopefully this is what has happened, but would that be just too easy !!!)
And I received a letter on 16 July for a Compliance interview on 31-7-2014 (which I am obviously stressed about) , but could this be because I am no longer in the SG and they have put me back in the WRAG IR group, and I have more than £6000 in savings?
I have also been sent a letter for an interview on 31-7-2014 with my personal adviser to discuss the support available to me, now that I have completed my time on the work programme: ( I have never attended a work program and told the DWP this) .
And now they have sent me yet another letter this time for an induction interview which should have taken place on 21-7-2014, (apparently because I had missed my appointment in Sept 2013). I never received an appointment as I would have challenged it, and found out earlier about being put back in the WRAG.
How-ever since 16 July I have been away from home and been staying at my daughters house 100 miles away, and I was only been informed today by my neighbour that I have received this latest letter, I have missed this interview but they had only given 5 days notice to attend the interview, the letter must have arrived after the 17th July and I was to attend on the 21st July. I was away from home then.
I presume I am now going to get sanctioned. what a complete mess.
This is just too much to get my head around, and I am really sorry that this must be very challenging for you too especially with- out looking through all my paperwork.
I am lucky here to have my friend helping me to write this stuff down.
I realise I need to see an adviser to look through my paperwork, but I may not be able to get to see someone beforehand , do you think I should send all this information to the DWP without seeing an adviser first, or do you think my appeal for this to be looked into properly, might be dismissed without a professional bodies representation? .
Thank-you again I really appreciate your further advise and I hope we have written this clearer for you to understand.
JG
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10 years 9 months ago #123571 by Gordon
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JG
There seem to be several separate issues I'll try to deal with each one
Tribunals re-make the Decision that was appealed and their Decision applies from the from the original date.
According to your posts the Decision that you appealed was made on 27 March 2013 and the Tribunal Decision of 6 April 2014 replaced the original Decision, which I think placed you in the WRAG, with one that placed you in the Support Group.
In December 2013 you received, completed and returned a new ESA50. I think that a new Decision on your claim has been made following the re-assessment and you have been placed in the WRAG again.
If a new Decision has been made, then it replaces any previous Decision, including the one made by the Tribunal.
You need to contact the DWP to see whether a new Decision has been made and when, if one has been made then I am afraid that you will need to make a new appeal to be placed in the Support Group. The first stage to this is to request a Mandatory Reconsideration.
On the assumption that your are in fact in the WRAG, then any failure to attend meetings request by the JC+ or to participate in Work Related Activity can and probably will result in your ESA being sanctioned.
Your advisor is required to take into account any limitations that result from your conditions, they are unlikely to be aware of these if you have never previously attended a Work Focussed Interview (WFI), so I would start by phoning them and explaining that your condition prevent you from attending, that you were previously moved to the Support Group because of these conditions and that you will be appealing the Decision to place you back in the WRAG.
As you cannot attend offer to hold the WFI over the phone, hopefully they will see reason and agree to do this, however this is entirely at their discretion. If they insist on you attending your only option is to escalate the issue to their supervisor.
Whilst claimants are not required to remain at home 24x7 if they are going to be away from their normal place of residence for any period of time then they are required to notify the DWP of this.
If you have not already done so, you must tell the DWP of your current address, you are only making things more difficult for yourself by not doing so as you are making it impossible for you to respond to DWP requests within a reasonable period of time.
If you are receiving Income Related ESA, then being in the Support Group does not protect you from the associated means test, so if your savings and assets have exceeded the £6000 limit you are required to notify the DWP of this so that they can make adjustments to your payments.
As you have been invited to attend a Compliance interview, you must attend, they will expect you to bring bank statements etc. to show your current savings. You can have someone with you at the interview and I strongly recommend that you do, they can take notes of what is said and provide moral support.
You have not mentioned it, so I assume this is not the case, but if this is an Interview Under Caution then you need to get legal advice and should not attend without having a solicitor present, if at all possible.
Given the number of issues with your current claim, I think it well worth you getting face to face advice, however, you cannot defer any of the DWP's requirements while you seek this advice unless they give you permission to do so, preferably in writing.
I would certainly try and get advice before making an appeal in regard to your current WRAG placement
As to your back payments, there are two possibilities.
The payments have been split into two, benefits are uprated at the beginning of April, so the payment up to March could be at the old rate and you should receive a payment from April onwards at the current rate.
The other alternative is that the Decision to place you back in the WRAG was made at the end of March and therefore limited the SG back payments.
I hope I have covered everything, but if not or you have any questions then reply to this post.
Gordon
There seem to be several separate issues I'll try to deal with each one

Tribunals re-make the Decision that was appealed and their Decision applies from the from the original date.
According to your posts the Decision that you appealed was made on 27 March 2013 and the Tribunal Decision of 6 April 2014 replaced the original Decision, which I think placed you in the WRAG, with one that placed you in the Support Group.
In December 2013 you received, completed and returned a new ESA50. I think that a new Decision on your claim has been made following the re-assessment and you have been placed in the WRAG again.
If a new Decision has been made, then it replaces any previous Decision, including the one made by the Tribunal.
You need to contact the DWP to see whether a new Decision has been made and when, if one has been made then I am afraid that you will need to make a new appeal to be placed in the Support Group. The first stage to this is to request a Mandatory Reconsideration.
On the assumption that your are in fact in the WRAG, then any failure to attend meetings request by the JC+ or to participate in Work Related Activity can and probably will result in your ESA being sanctioned.
Your advisor is required to take into account any limitations that result from your conditions, they are unlikely to be aware of these if you have never previously attended a Work Focussed Interview (WFI), so I would start by phoning them and explaining that your condition prevent you from attending, that you were previously moved to the Support Group because of these conditions and that you will be appealing the Decision to place you back in the WRAG.
As you cannot attend offer to hold the WFI over the phone, hopefully they will see reason and agree to do this, however this is entirely at their discretion. If they insist on you attending your only option is to escalate the issue to their supervisor.
Whilst claimants are not required to remain at home 24x7 if they are going to be away from their normal place of residence for any period of time then they are required to notify the DWP of this.
If you have not already done so, you must tell the DWP of your current address, you are only making things more difficult for yourself by not doing so as you are making it impossible for you to respond to DWP requests within a reasonable period of time.
If you are receiving Income Related ESA, then being in the Support Group does not protect you from the associated means test, so if your savings and assets have exceeded the £6000 limit you are required to notify the DWP of this so that they can make adjustments to your payments.
As you have been invited to attend a Compliance interview, you must attend, they will expect you to bring bank statements etc. to show your current savings. You can have someone with you at the interview and I strongly recommend that you do, they can take notes of what is said and provide moral support.
You have not mentioned it, so I assume this is not the case, but if this is an Interview Under Caution then you need to get legal advice and should not attend without having a solicitor present, if at all possible.
Given the number of issues with your current claim, I think it well worth you getting face to face advice, however, you cannot defer any of the DWP's requirements while you seek this advice unless they give you permission to do so, preferably in writing.
I would certainly try and get advice before making an appeal in regard to your current WRAG placement
As to your back payments, there are two possibilities.
The payments have been split into two, benefits are uprated at the beginning of April, so the payment up to March could be at the old rate and you should receive a payment from April onwards at the current rate.
The other alternative is that the Decision to place you back in the WRAG was made at the end of March and therefore limited the SG back payments.
I hope I have covered everything, but if not or you have any questions then reply to this post.
Gordon
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10 years 9 months ago #123591 by JG
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Hi again,
I have only filled in one ESA50 on 15-Dec-2012 and I filled that in and sent it back, this is date stamped 17-12-12. They sent me back copies of State Response papers that they had forwarded on to the tribunal.
Also attached to my ESA50 there is the ESA85a that report is dated 13-3-2013.
I also have a copy of the second medical report ESA85 this is dated 19-July 2012: I'm not sure if this one was sent to the tribunal.
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About staying away from home: I didn't realise I had to tell them that I was staying at my daughters for 2 weeks. After I had received the compliance letter I needed to get away because all this has reared it head again and I needed help to de-stress before attending the interview. I suffer from severe panic attacks, and am in fear of having a breakdown again.
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The compliance interview is not under caution. I rang today and asked what it was about and she said it was just routine as they received information from the inland revenue and they needed to check if I have to much savings. I told her that I though I was in the support group contribution based credits, she told me to get in touch with the DWP.
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I was told I was only put in the support group for 12 months, and then told I have been put in the WRAG until 2016 and will not need another medical assessment unless I request another one before hand.
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I have not received any other back date only the 9 months lump sum.
Thank-you again and Sorry this is very long winded.
JG
I have only filled in one ESA50 on 15-Dec-2012 and I filled that in and sent it back, this is date stamped 17-12-12. They sent me back copies of State Response papers that they had forwarded on to the tribunal.
Also attached to my ESA50 there is the ESA85a that report is dated 13-3-2013.
I also have a copy of the second medical report ESA85 this is dated 19-July 2012: I'm not sure if this one was sent to the tribunal.
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About staying away from home: I didn't realise I had to tell them that I was staying at my daughters for 2 weeks. After I had received the compliance letter I needed to get away because all this has reared it head again and I needed help to de-stress before attending the interview. I suffer from severe panic attacks, and am in fear of having a breakdown again.
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The compliance interview is not under caution. I rang today and asked what it was about and she said it was just routine as they received information from the inland revenue and they needed to check if I have to much savings. I told her that I though I was in the support group contribution based credits, she told me to get in touch with the DWP.
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I was told I was only put in the support group for 12 months, and then told I have been put in the WRAG until 2016 and will not need another medical assessment unless I request another one before hand.
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I have not received any other back date only the 9 months lump sum.
Thank-you again and Sorry this is very long winded.
JG
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I am getting a little confused by your dates as to whether it is 2012 or 2013 we are talking about but as far as I can see you received an ESA50 in the December after the Decision that originally placed you in the WRAG and was replaced by the Tribunal Decision placing you in the Support Group.
It is likely the Decision that resulted from this ESA50 that has placed you back in the WRAG.
An ESA85A is produced without a face to face assessment, the ESA85 is created from a face to face assessment. From your post the ESA85 dated 19 July 2012 was the one used in your appeal.
ESA is not awarded for a period of time, therefore whoever told you were placed in the Support Group for a year is incorrect, the only way you could be moved from the SG to the WRAG is because a new Decision on your claim has been made.
This is usually following the issuing of a new ESA50 which appears to be consistent with an ESA50 being issued in December 2012 and an ESA85A report being produced dated 13 March 2013.
It is a common misconception that claimants do not have to inform the DWP if they will be away from their normal address, whilst most go on holiday etc. without any issues with their claim, it is so easy to be caught out as you have by not receiving letters in time for you to action them.
I am guessing that a new Decision was made on your claim in late March 2013 and this has limited the back pay you received for being placed in the Support Group.
It is possible that a further Decision has been made since then as it is unusual for JC+ to leave someone in the WRAG for such a long period without contacting them (March 2013 to July 2014), although not impossible.
If the last Decision on your claim was in March 2013, then you are now outside the maximum 13 months allowed to make an appeal, it is therefore essential that you find out when the last Decision on your claim was made.
If you cannot appeal then you can ask to be re-assessed due to a deteriorated condition, assuming that you can show that this has happened, however, this may take as much as a year to resolve and you will remain in the WRAG while this happens and subject to the requirement to attend WFIs and to perform Work Related Activity.
Gordon
I am getting a little confused by your dates as to whether it is 2012 or 2013 we are talking about but as far as I can see you received an ESA50 in the December after the Decision that originally placed you in the WRAG and was replaced by the Tribunal Decision placing you in the Support Group.
It is likely the Decision that resulted from this ESA50 that has placed you back in the WRAG.
An ESA85A is produced without a face to face assessment, the ESA85 is created from a face to face assessment. From your post the ESA85 dated 19 July 2012 was the one used in your appeal.
ESA is not awarded for a period of time, therefore whoever told you were placed in the Support Group for a year is incorrect, the only way you could be moved from the SG to the WRAG is because a new Decision on your claim has been made.
This is usually following the issuing of a new ESA50 which appears to be consistent with an ESA50 being issued in December 2012 and an ESA85A report being produced dated 13 March 2013.
It is a common misconception that claimants do not have to inform the DWP if they will be away from their normal address, whilst most go on holiday etc. without any issues with their claim, it is so easy to be caught out as you have by not receiving letters in time for you to action them.
I am guessing that a new Decision was made on your claim in late March 2013 and this has limited the back pay you received for being placed in the Support Group.
It is possible that a further Decision has been made since then as it is unusual for JC+ to leave someone in the WRAG for such a long period without contacting them (March 2013 to July 2014), although not impossible.
If the last Decision on your claim was in March 2013, then you are now outside the maximum 13 months allowed to make an appeal, it is therefore essential that you find out when the last Decision on your claim was made.
If you cannot appeal then you can ask to be re-assessed due to a deteriorated condition, assuming that you can show that this has happened, however, this may take as much as a year to resolve and you will remain in the WRAG while this happens and subject to the requirement to attend WFIs and to perform Work Related Activity.
Gordon
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